1. Notification emails are working properly again. Please check your email spam folder and if you see any emails from the Cantina there, make sure to mark them as "Not Spam". This will help a lot to whitelist the emails and to stop them going to spam.
    Dismiss Notice
  2. IMPORTANT! To be able to create new threads and rate posts, you need to have at least 30 posts in The Cantina.
    Dismiss Notice
  3. Before posting a new thread, check the list with similar threads that will appear when you start typing the thread's title.
    Dismiss Notice

The Force Awakens vs Star Trek Into The Darkness

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Count dooku, Dec 25, 2015.

  1. DarthCaedus

    DarthCaedus Rebel Commander

    Joined:
    May 8, 2015
    Posts:
    340
    Likes Received:
    365
    Trophy Points:
    2,647
    Credits:
    870
    Ratings:
    +727 / 51 / -31
    I'm one of those star trek fans that loved Star Trek the motion picture. Just the awe of dealing with the unknown alone got my blood pumping. I would love to see a Star trek film where they are exploring in deep space and they find an alien race that is like a prometheus/V'ger/Reapers hybrid or something like that. If they wanted to do a shoot em up movie they could do a Klingon-Federation war movie. My point is there are so many other things they could have done then bastardize the Wrath of Khan.

    I would also like it if they moved back to the prime timeline and stopped making jj verse movies.
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Wise Wise x 1
    • Disagree Disagree x 1
  2. Acidrain

    Acidrain Rebel Trooper

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2015
    Posts:
    180
    Likes Received:
    142
    Trophy Points:
    177
    Credits:
    481
    Ratings:
    +178 / 18 / -5
    Thank you for stating that, it is basically what i stated and i have stated that JJ basically bastardized Startrek the Wraith of Khan as you state it. People just dont understand that. Alot of the TOS/TNG movies are a hit and miss, i wasn't that big of a TOS fan to begin with but over time i became more appreciated of them.

    I dont see that happening with going back to the prime timeline, only the TV show that is allegedly coming out in Jan of 2017 will NOT follow JJ Universe.

    Then we see the new Trailer for Startrek Beyond, OMG
     
    • Like Like x 1
  3. ArynCrinn

    ArynCrinn 1030th Lieutenant (Jr Mod)

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2015
    Posts:
    2,319
    Likes Received:
    3,135
    Trophy Points:
    10,867
    Credits:
    3,654
    Ratings:
    +5,212 / 102 / -30
    Ridley Scott's work has been getting progressively worse these past 15 years, with a few exceptions...

    And no, Into Darkness was more a "remake" than a "reboot." They're not the same.
     
  4. Darth Wardawg

    Darth Wardawg Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Nov 27, 2014
    Posts:
    1,168
    Likes Received:
    3,218
    Trophy Points:
    12,667
    Credits:
    4,348
    Ratings:
    +4,133 / 71 / -22
    Why did you bother to see the film? You seem to have been down on it eve
    You don't "reboot" a single film, you reboot a series/saga/etc... You remake, rip off, copy, etc a single film.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  5. RockyRoadHux

    RockyRoadHux Ginger General

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2015
    Posts:
    1,592
    Likes Received:
    65,058
    Trophy Points:
    169,727
    Credits:
    34,967
    Ratings:
    +67,890 / 15 / -2
    So true.

    But Into Darkness vs TFA... ID feels a bit like Fast Food- it was fun to watch, entertaining but still I let me unsatisfied. The Characters were fun but there was no depth! I wasn' t moved by their story. JJ always said he is no Star Trek Fanboy- and it totally shows! I loved Alias, JJ was able to make you roote and care for every single character, something Star Trek Into Darkness did not deliver.
     
    • Like Like x 3
  6. Aquila

    Aquila Rebelscum

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2015
    Posts:
    202
    Likes Received:
    275
    Trophy Points:
    1,642
    Credits:
    829
    Ratings:
    +453 / 42 / -24
    I think there's quite a lot of people who went to TFA and forgot about it soon after and went to see any ST film and immediately after wanted to watch it again. I don't get this SW-ST war. Why so many people want to "prove" that one movie is better than the other (suprisingly - the better is of course this he likes more ;] )? I definately like SW more, but I enjoy ST too (I'm actually not hyped at all at newest ST film, but two previous were quite fun and TNG and Voyager were great too).
     
    • Like Like x 1
  7. Count dooku

    Count dooku Rebel General

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2015
    Posts:
    592
    Likes Received:
    663
    Trophy Points:
    3,892
    Credits:
    900
    Ratings:
    +1,161 / 435 / -474
    Theres no depth to TFA.
     
    • Disagree Disagree x 4
    • Trolling Trolling x 2
    • Pessimistic Pessimistic x 1
  8. Pastor Barndog

    Pastor Barndog Force Attuned

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2014
    Posts:
    4,388
    Likes Received:
    5,570
    Trophy Points:
    16,317
    Credits:
    6,513
    Ratings:
    +9,435 / 246 / -104
    You missed it. Like the OT it works on many levels. The PT had so much they were trying to do that everyone knew they were trying to make it work on so many levels. This was a great fun movie that has a tremendous amount of meaning and depth to its symbolism and storytelling.

    One of the few real flaws that I felt in the film is I knew there was more to the story to come. It felt like there was more needed for the story to tell. In the OT and even in the PT the movies were part of a Saga but they were self contained. This felt like a set up.
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Hopeful Hopeful x 1
  9. Amanaman

    Amanaman Rebel Official

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2015
    Posts:
    1,336
    Likes Received:
    2,378
    Trophy Points:
    8,417
    Credits:
    5,443
    Ratings:
    +3,741 / 238 / -86
    I loved Star Trek ITD and came out of it really pumped while I came out bummed and bothered by TFA so for me Trek won this round. This is really a bummer for me though cause it really hurts me that JJ can make such cool Trek movies but he just gave us fan service and eye candy when it came to SW. If JJ would have just let his imagination gone wild in SW and would have given us bold new things instead of just a rehash, I'm pretty sure that his SW movie would have been really awesome.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Friendly Friendly x 1
  10. AstromechRecords

    AstromechRecords Jedi General

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2015
    Posts:
    16,720
    Likes Received:
    14,886
    Trophy Points:
    148,277
    Credits:
    19,409
    Ratings:
    +26,147 / 844 / -253
    They purposely played it safe .
     
    • Wise Wise x 1
  11. Amanaman

    Amanaman Rebel Official

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2015
    Posts:
    1,336
    Likes Received:
    2,378
    Trophy Points:
    8,417
    Credits:
    5,443
    Ratings:
    +3,741 / 238 / -86
    I would also like to ask a question to many of you fans that think that TFA is much better than ST ITD and this is a real question without any intent of bashing TFA. My question is, how do you guys base your standards when you rate TFA and compare it to other movies? As I said, this has nothing to do with my dislike of TFA but with the fact that I find it hard to rate TFA as it was just a rehash of ANH. If the movie had been an original movie then I could gladly rate it against the other six SW movies but how can many of you see it as an incredibly awesome movie when it's almost an exact duplicate of something we already saw? How then can you compare it to a movie like Blade Runner for example and pic which one was the best when that choice would seem a bit unfair as one is an original movie and the other is copied from another movie?

    Suppose Episode 8 is a carbon copy of TESB, can fans then really rate this movie as the best SW movie ever? Mostly every fan tends to think that TESB is the best of the OT movies so if this new movie is just a copy, is it fair to say that it is way better than ANH and ROTJ? How can you go wrong on a movie when you copy one of the greats? Avatar is the most highest grossing movie of all time and so many people loved it so if a director comes and carbon copies said movie and instead of the Na'vi he uses the Twi'Leks and instead of planet Pandora he uses Felucia, is this enough to say that this movie rocks so hard that it's better than all 7 SW movies together? How can we rate this movie this way when it only stole a plot from a previous movie and only added some cool new effects?

    It is because of this that I really find it hard to rate TFA against other movies. As I said before, it has nothing to do if I liked the movie or not but the fact that many people rate this movie so high on their list when the movie really didn't have anything new to offer.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  12. Grand Master Galen Marek

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2015
    Posts:
    21,214
    Likes Received:
    88,921
    Trophy Points:
    176,317
    Credits:
    40,929
    Ratings:
    +102,525 / 336 / -131
    Oh man you clearly were not there to watch a great movie. Star Trek played it's part but the 2009 reboot was better.
     
    • Like Like x 4
  13. AstromechRecords

    AstromechRecords Jedi General

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2015
    Posts:
    16,720
    Likes Received:
    14,886
    Trophy Points:
    148,277
    Credits:
    19,409
    Ratings:
    +26,147 / 844 / -253
    Yeah it felt more original than most sci fi movies even though it already had a past history .
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Wise Wise x 1
  14. Grand Master Galen Marek

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2015
    Posts:
    21,214
    Likes Received:
    88,921
    Trophy Points:
    176,317
    Credits:
    40,929
    Ratings:
    +102,525 / 336 / -131
    Don't get me wrong the new cast was great.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  15. BobaFettNY21

    BobaFettNY21 Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2015
    Posts:
    788
    Likes Received:
    5,657
    Trophy Points:
    14,167
    Credits:
    7,411
    Ratings:
    +6,560 / 36 / -12
    Its hard for people to separate their love for the saga's films and judging a film on its own by just 'filmmaking' standards. For example, I agree ROTS is the best of the prequels, but I also find it the most disappointing because of how bad Anakin's turn to the dark side was handled - which should be the lynchpin of the PT. But I also have trouble putting TPM above ROTS because while it works on a basic level (as a children's space opera) it is the most useless to the saga. And although I fully agree with ROTJ having some of the greatest moments in the OT, I can't rate it ahead of TFA - especially the Special Edition.

    Originality is overrated. We criticize Cameron for Avatar being Dances With Wolves mixed with Ferngully, but we ignore that ANH is Hidden Fortress mixed with Flash Gordon/Buck Rogers/Forbidden Planet. It's not wholly 'original', and its not really meant to be - its a typical hero's journey like Braveheart, Gladiator, Iron Man, Man of Steel, etc. ROTJ isn't that original - start off on a sand planet, escape from the bad guy, meet up with the Rebellion, evade Imperial forces in a chase scene (ANH's TIE attack on the Falcon = Speederbike chase on Endor), and attack a Death Star.

    Blade Runner is decently original as far as its sci-fi premise, but its also a noir like any other film with Humphrey Bogart. Blade Runner is also, IMO, overrated, but that's an interesting conversation because of its visual presentation, which set a nice precedent for other films to work off of (but SW did too).

    The only big mistake of TFA is another Big Round Destructive Laser Thing - because it was already re-used by Lucas once, then referenced visually again in TPM with the Trade Federation Control Ship (but George did add a land assault and a bit of a droid-control sci-fi trope). But once you really reference TPM, its similar to ANH as well, but added some political intrigue and the Jedi Council's uselessness to the saga. TFA did what it needed to do - add new characters, maybe missing another layer to the Force or galactic state of affairs (although there's almost enough there, needed another scene to better explain - like the Imperial roundtable scene in ANH).
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Hopeful Hopeful x 1
  16. Merman

    Merman Rebelscum

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2016
    Posts:
    154
    Likes Received:
    257
    Trophy Points:
    922
    Credits:
    952
    Ratings:
    +426 / 36 / -19
    Both movies are good but I have to say that I liked Star Trek better as TFA was just to close to ANH for my tastes.
     
    • Friendly Friendly x 1
  17. Benjamin Lewis

    Benjamin Lewis Rebel Official

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2015
    Posts:
    668
    Likes Received:
    1,523
    Trophy Points:
    6,567
    Credits:
    2,480
    Ratings:
    +2,684 / 76 / -50
    Troll thread is trolling.
     
    • Like Like x 1
Loading...

Share This Page