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The Force Belongs to Us: THE LAST JEDI’s Beautiful Refocusing of Star Wars

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by DailyPlunge, Dec 18, 2017.

  1. RoyleRancor

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    Umm...MALE Skywalker
     
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    This is article is very interesting as while I have come around on TLJ and really enjoy the film now, I still think the movie and Trilogy would have been better without the OT characters with the theme they were going with.

    What are the main beefs from fans who didn’t like TLJ? Mostly Luke, Luke, Luke. He overshadows Rey vs Kylo Ren which is the story of the movie and the Trilogy.

    I know both sides have settled in and everyone has their opinion of TLJ, but I can’t help but think of the freedom this Trilogy would have had in terms of storytelling without the OT characters. That is why the movie works for me as a standalone or it’s own entity but just doesn’t work as part of the Saga.
     
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    Luke's portrayal causes so much hatred because it's different from what some people were dreaming about for 30-40 years (to fair, what people dream about almost never happens in movies or anywhere else). So, I wonder how somebody, who recently binge-watched the entire saga for the first time, would react to TLJ. Most likely such a person would like the movie just fine.
     
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    this basically describes my sister, who saw the original movies in the theatre, but didn't really remember them.
    we binge-watched the OT and then saw the TFA/TLJ double feature.
    she loved TLJ more than i did on first watch and thought the films made perfectly fine continuity sense.
    i had more trouble with Luke than she did because i did not expect the reveal of his thoughts toward Ben.

    she also loved Han Solo and hated Kylo Ren for killing him and nothing i said to her post-TFA was changing her mind.
    she's now more willing to get on the #SaveBenSolo train. she had to see with her own eyes the reasons for Ben's confusion to understand him.
    after TLJ she even said: Luke was never going to hurt Ben because Luke was always going to do the right thing.

    she understood that Luke's lapse was fleeting, his guilt was punishing, but that the whole point is that he would rise like a phoenix from the ashes to save the day. which he did. : D
     
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    This helps explain why general audiences loved the film and why some of the hardcore fans are really struggling with it. I think it's reasonable to expect that it's going to be controversial with some fans. It's certainly not the Luke I was expecting to see when this trilogy was announced. However, it was very well done. I've always said I didn't care what direction they went in as long as the story was good. The story was great and they way Yoda was used was perfect.

    I believe had Luke survived at the end of the TLJ some fans would have liked that more, but it really really complicate the final act of this trilogy. Now we can focus 100% on our new heroes and Luke can be a supporting character.
     
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    But that’s the reality when you bring back iconic characters as there is a chance certain fans will reject a drastic change. It’s no different then seeing a classic Rock Band make a new album 30 years later and certain fans not liking it because it doesn’t sound like their classic stuff.

    I’m not saying either side is right or wrong as I think it’s just the reality that it will be polarizing. Which goes to my larger point that there is some really good stuff in TLJ, an interesting theme that fans aren’t even grappling with because they are so focused on the OT characters.

    If Lucasfilm makes this same Trilogy, with the same theme and it features only Rey, Finn, Poe, Kylo Ren, I think it’s not as divisive and probably better received. Sure some fans may have never seen a new Trilogy without Luke, Leia and Han, but isn’t that the eventual point of TLJ is we need to move on to keep SW fresh?
     
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