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The Force Belongs to Us: THE LAST JEDI’s Beautiful Refocusing of Star Wars

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by DailyPlunge, Dec 18, 2017.

  1. DailyPlunge

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    See what I mean?

    Are the first six episodes bad because we don't know why Darth Sidious is so powerful? It's never explained.

    Rey is an awakening in the force. Powerful light to meet powerful darkness.
     
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    Star Wars is a family chronicle.
     
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    Because he spent years amassing skill and political power in order to get to the point he was? A vital point to understanding the prequel trilogy's story? This is also conveyed by his age and savvy. It doesn't have to be explained when the prequel show him doing that exact thing.
     
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    Luke was still a jedi when Rey was born so when did she became "the awakening"?
     
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    Apparently, Snoke's darkness wasn't powerful enough despite destroying the entire Jedi Order, amassing limitless resources and shattering the Republic in one fell swoop. :rolleyes:
     
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    No I don't see what you mean, you quoted only a sentence from my post and now you are talking about a completely different subject. I was talking about bloodlines not about if Rey's power needs to be explained.
     
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    I'd rather not argue about why people liked/didn't like like the film. There are several great threads for that. This is more about the storytelling choices that were made and why they were made. I think the article explains them well. Obviously, people are free to disagree with that, but I hope people are reasonable enough to understand those choices. Even if they don't agree with them.
    That was in response to someone else who said people weren't obsessed with bloodlines. Sorry for the confusion.
     
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    Remember, bloodlines and nobility are always tied to knowledge which means she didn't need anything to begin with despite taking the Jedi texts with her. Totally consistent logic there.
     
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    I kind of disagree with this. I share a lot of opinions from the article writer about Rey’s life and how important it is she is not connected to Skywalkers through blood. Her life had been miserable, living alone in a half-slavery in Jakku, hoping her parents to come back to her. She has been raised as nobody but she hopes to be someone. Have a meaning. Have a place. And she thinks her only meaning is to bring Kylo/Ben back to the light side - only to have him gloat at her in the how worthless she is. That she truly is nobody, and her only way of becoming somebody would be joining him.

    To me, her ultimate sacrifice is accepting the fact; and only by realizing that she doesn’t have to be somebody, be able to be herself. I don’t think many people even in their older age reach this level of acceptance.

    Funny - I thought Yoda meant that quote as a gentle joke, “Luke, you don’t have to burn the tree to get rid of the books because she has them already.” To me it was not to say that she didn’t need the books...
     
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    And how does this belittle her in any fashion when she can rise to meet him as his combative equal just fine with no prior training or knowledge whatsoever? If he was in a position of strength, I could see this being a problem but that doesn't change the truth in my statement. Luke was always at a disadvantage until the very end to the antagonists of the original trilogy. You could argue that he realized he couldn't meet the Emperor's sheer physical power and decided to fight a war of wills instead which was far better conveyed in Return of the Jedi.
     
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    The fact that Hidalgo promoted that article tells you everything you need to know about him.
     
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    You make it sound like he needs to be sent to a reeducation camp. I don't agree with every decision the story group has made, but I respect the work they've done. If you're to be a Grinch about anything you disagree with that's fine. It'll make ignoring you very easy.
     
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    Do you take everything i write personally?
     
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    I think their point was that the main saga films have been called "the skywalker saga". So it was about the skywalkers and their stories. I guess thats reasonable to assume that rey had to be a skywalker. I personally thought that route made the most narrative sense. Either way, i think they needed to give an explanation as to why she's so powerful. Even her rock stunt at the end was on some yoda level blast. Yet....rey just does it because she has to. This makes the force feel like a plot device and nothing more. Same thing with luke's hologram. RJ seemed more concerned with subverting expectations than telling a compelling coherent story. So, luke never leaves achtoo, does a hologram, but then dies of force exhaustion. Rey could've been a nobody that learns about the force and starts learning to harness it. Instead she's pulling mind tricks, which is not an intuitive ability. I'm going on a rant.

    The skywalker saga wasn't about the bloodline being special, it was just the series of stories that focused on skywalkers. It would make sense if the main character was a skywalker, else she's just sort of a by stander to what happens. Yeah, I can see why they'd make that argument. ah well. It wasn't until the ST that it became "yo i'm a skywalker so this blast is easy son." They played up ben solo being "omg powerful" because of his skywalker blood. He's essentially the first character to be a saiyan in SW. Luke said the force was strong in his family. That never translated into "yo we can do whatever without training or failures because we're skywalkers.".
     
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    This is the ultimate irony behind the entire trilogy's conception for me. You don't know whether to laugh or shake your head in disappointment.
     
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    Her aptitude to the Force is uncanny. I admit, and I was little bothered at her ease with the Jedi Mind Trick in TFA. Not so much at her skills at fighting... to be honest. I think it was established pretty early on that she is a skillful fighter.

    My take is that she never realized her own qualities. That she only sees herself as nobody, like she also introduces herself to Luke. To me, Rey’s hero’s path is more internal than external. It’s about growing to see her potential and accepting that she can be someone as herself. As Just Rey.
     
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    at this point, she is the very definition of a mary sue. Which really sucks. After TLJ i realized that there's nothing really going on with rey. They got a wonderful gal to play her. Basically, all this time I've just liked daisey ridley.
     
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    To be fair we have very little to go on when it comes to "how fast does a Jedi learn." We also know that Ben Solo was extremely powerful in the force. His power scared Luke. We also know from Snoke that the force is balancing the powerful darkness in Ben Solo with the light in Rey.

    Yoda tells Luke "we are what they grow beyond. That is the true burden of all masters." Ben and Rey have grown beyond their masters.

    Luke's advance in the force was much quicker in training that what we saw in the PT and Rey/Ben appear to be moving faster than Luke. I understand why some people have issues with this, but I don't. There has been an awakening in the force. Something that was always there for Rey is now awake.
     
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    I found it acceptable in TFA due to her fighting a wounded man who was physically and emotionally exhausted but not now. She barely received any training that would allow her to answer the techniques of superlative duelists like the Praetorian Guard. It's a terrible distraction to such a good fight scene as well which is a pity.
     
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    I actually defended the character against the Mary Sue-accusations after TFA but now i have to realise that i was wrong.
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    I guess we have to admit today that Kylo should have won that fight.
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    Second time: When did she became "the awakening"? Before or after Luke abandoned the Force?
     
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