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The Force Belongs to Us: THE LAST JEDI’s Beautiful Refocusing of Star Wars

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by DailyPlunge, Dec 18, 2017.

  1. LadyMusashi

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    I made similar claim in a slightly different way in several threads. The Saga became family saga with the Empire Strikes Back, which revealed that Vader is Luke's father... then Leia became his sister... then Anakin became created by the Force.

    In A New Hope, the heroes were a farm boy, a Princes and a scoundrel. Heroes came from all walks of life. I am not sure George exactly intended it that way or the years of drought and the Extended Universe made it that way, but Skywalkers really became a royal family while Luke was always meant to be just a farm boy who stumbled into his destiny. Rian resets that.
     
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    I can respect your view on this. I need to see the movie again to get better understanding of everything that happens in it.

    It could be that my opinion will change on a second viewing, it might not. At the moment, I don’t perceive this particular issue such a problem. I know tgat there are some weak moments in TLJ, but I don’t see Rey’s story arch belonging to them.
     
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    as far as the kylo fight, I always thought they should've made it a 2v1 fight. Finn is swinging the saber while rey is blasting. Kylo is fending off finn while having to deflect shots from rey. You can show his exhaustion and injuries having an affect on him here. Eventually he gets sick of this and bean bags rey against a tree. Then you can have the scene play out where she wakes to the sound of finn hollaring before she has her big utterly obvious at this point, reveal.
     
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    Yes the force belongs to us all!!!. Except for white men right? They are too skywalker and like the blog said F the Skywalkers.
     
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    how does he reset that? And i'm sorry, but i never got the notion from anyone that skywalkers were royalty. They were the mainline family that was followed, but it wasn't until the ST that it became "you're special because you're a skywalker". Otherwise, poor shimi got a raw deal.
     
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    Yeah, that's a very strange interpretation of the Skywalkers' place in the story when Anakin was born a slave and ironically ended up a slave to another master in the form of his servitude to Palpatine.
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    My thoughts on that.
     
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    If you are the grandchild of a Lord (Vader), who was 2nd in command of a galaxy wide empire, you might think of yourself as having some sort of ordained part to play in the universe. You'd be wrong, as Kylo was wrong. But he definitely has a complex about Vader. Rey sensed it in TFA, and Snoke used it as bait in TLJ.
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    Please, there's been two movies where the main character wasn't a white man. Troll.
     
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    he has a complex sure, but we're talking about people viewing SW as ever having the trope where "you're special because of your blood." Even the members of the main family focus, had to struggle and train for their accomplishments. At least until the ST. Now even a "nobody" can be beyond anything luke was ever portrayed as in the OT.
     
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    Wrong again. It's been every movie since Disney took control, and I love it.
     
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    The emperor and Snoke appeared to be nobodies as well. And Anakin was pretty powerful in the force without any training. Yes, he was born of the force. But there's no reason to think that if the last Jedi severed his connection to the force that it wouldn't find it's way into someone and express itself with little training needed.
     
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    I disagree with a lot of the logic in that article (see my first post on this forum for similar details). So, it makes me super sad if someone from LF thinks those are the reasons people are displeased. Personally, I think it is perfect that Rey is "nobody." I think that's exactly the most powerful story to tell for her. But to think that you can only tell that story *at the expense* of loyal fans' decades-long beloved characters? No. That is a completely false dichotomy.
     
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    My apologies, when I said I didn't understand I meant that it's unconvincing to me and not the view point that I have. And I don't believe that every major force user needs to be a Skywalker. (Yoda, Mace Windu, Qui Gon, Obi-Wan and the thousands of other Jedi before the purge). What I'm trying to say that with the Skywalker story, aka the Episodes, then the main character needs to be a Skywalker.. We can have films about extremely powerful people like Rey and others, just have it as it's own story.

    As I said above, yes Kylo is a Skywalker but this is more Rey's story than it is his. The mere prescence of a Skywalker doesn't make it a part of the "Skywalker Story". Otherwise Rogue One would be a part of the Skywalker Story as it has multiple members of the family in the movie.
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    George, Kathleen, Bob Iger and JJ have all described the Episodic films as "The Skywalker Saga." That sounds like the films are about a "special bloodline" to me.
     
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    How was it at the expenses of existing characters?
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    So if JJ reveals that Rey just didn't know her real parents, and in reality she was a Solo or a kid Luke didn't know he had... And if it was revealed this was always the plan... Would that somehow make TLJ better?
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    And a fitting end to that story is a cautionary tale about what happens to bloodlines over time.
     
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    He was? What did little boy anakin do? The only thing he displayed was foresight. Next time you saw him he was teenager who was a padawan and ended the move with one arm missing.
     
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    No, because at this point I think it would come across as forced retcon. I think the decisions of this film have determined who her character is and that ship has sailed.
     
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    Rian had said he has no idea what JJ is going to do about her parents. So it isn't as settled as you think
     
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    If the philosophy is that Star Wars needs to be about lifting up "nobodies" and that that can only be done by breaking down "bloodline entitlement" or ... however people conceptualize that, then that's a false dichotomy. And one that isn't fair to all the fans of the Skywalker family.

    In other words, if they can't find a way to make fans of Rey, Poe, Finn, Kylo, Luke, and Leia happy by the end of Ep IX, then it's simply a result of bad writing. It's not a choice that has to be made where either Rey fans are happy OR Luke fans are happy, etc.
     
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    Star Wars has always been much bigger than just the Skywalkers : yes they are a proeminent part of Star Wars, but they are not Star Wars. The story & the GFFA can easily outlive them (and looking at what they became, we might be better off without them).
     
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    It isn't at the expense of those characters. It's saying that what those characters did was important because of what they did, not because who they were. Luke was powerful, but he wouldn't have turned Vader to the light if he wasn't his son because that was all that could redeem Vader. Rey doesn't seem to have that easy of a path ahead of herself.

    But it is an important story to highlight that being a Skywalker doesn't make you unconditionally good. Nor does it mean your destiny will be good for the people in the Galaxy.

    Luke and Anakin's arc are not made weaker from that realization.
     
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