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The Force Belongs to Us: THE LAST JEDI’s Beautiful Refocusing of Star Wars

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by DailyPlunge, Dec 18, 2017.

  1. BobaFettNY21

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    If the Force can create life in somebody's womb....I'm pretty sure it can choose Rey at a time of need, and when the other Skywalker turns away from the Force. To deny that, is to do mental gymnastics.
     
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    Its a difference between creating life and transform a random girl to a superjedi.
     
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    You seem to be contradicting yourself here. You're saying it's not that big of a deal, but then you're saying the masses are against the refocus. Those two points don't seem to line up. Obi-Wan Kenobi is probably my favorite Star Wars character. I have no idea about his parents. Based on the box office and audience reaction a majoriy of film goers don't care about bloodlines either. It's the story that matters.
     
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    That depends on what 'random' is. Random as in - on the planet with Lor San Tekka, Poe Dameron, and the key to finding Luke Skywalker again?
     
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    So the Force picked her because of...BB8? :-/
     
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    I don't think I'm being contradictory. I think people prefer to imagine that they could be special- the Chosen One in some way- hence the popularity of franchises that have that theme. I didn't say they would insist on it. The reason why the purported refocus isn't a big deal is that it's already been done. The writer of the post thinks it is rare and unique, when it is not.

    I also said TFJ would be successful anyway, and it is.
     
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    Come on, you should know by now why her parents is an issue and why Kenobi's isnt.
     
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    The original Star Wars is the 2nd biggest movie (adjusted for inflation) of all time and those themes were not part of that original film. Empire Strikes Back's twist was so surprising because George took it in that direction. He doubled down during the PT with the whole "chosen one" stuff, but it didn't really help the story.

    Reminds me of this article I read today....
    Awesome read. Thanks for sharing.
     
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    I am sorry, but that is incorrect. As any fan of Princess Leia can attest. ;) There is some major royal blood manifesting itself in that film!
     
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    For me, no "refocusing" occurred or would have been necessary, as I believe...

    the Force belongs to no one.

    I believe this was true throughout the trilogy, regardless of what individual Jedi might have said, practiced, or believed.

    For me, as a viewer and storyteller who always appreciated the abstract, metaphorical, philosophical, poetic, and interpretive aspects of these tales, I always recognized how limiting our own world-views can actually prove to be whenever attempting to understand or mortally and materially define such mystical and mysterious things like the Force.

    There are always aspects about those things which escape immediate reason and even extended contemplation.

    Now, back to the prospect of "belonging" with regards to the Force:

    If they ever revisit the Prequel Trilogy prophecy, I hope they reveal that it was not about "the one who would bring balance to the Force," but rather "anyone."

    Perhaps early Jedi / Sith were manipulated to buy into such a false prophecy so that it would be, eventually, broadly said and indoctrinated beyond their relatively small circle of believers:

    to make the galaxy believe the Force was only accessible via formal training and privileged groups with ceremonial practices and esoterica.

    Imagine how self-empowered the galaxy could be at any age, able to be liberated from any source of darkness or tyrrany, if it had been widely known the Force was indeed potentially accessible to all.

    Perhaps this will be part of Rey's galaxy-wide mission after Episode VIII, to broadcast a message of hope to all those who would listen:

    "Yes, I was a scavenger. A lowly scavenger on a desolate world. I am not ashamed of that. No, the Force was never 'strong' in my family. My mother never tapped it. My father ignored it. But the Force spoke to me. I only had to listen. To believe in myself. And, you know what? I eventually became what some might consider a Jedi. I say that because I need you to know something: you have that power, too. The Force is with you. All of us. It always was, and it always will be."
     
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    I was using the parallel in terms of dynastic families that shaped history not necessarily heredity rulers. The family shaped the galaxy for generations starting with Anakin and ending with Ben. But all bloodlines come to an end. There’s will and a new line will rise.
    --- Double Post Merged, Dec 19, 2017, Original Post Date: Dec 19, 2017 ---
    I’m not certain it will end on a bad note. I doubt Ben can be redeemed but that doesn’t mean it will end on a bad note for the Skywalkers. Luke’s last apprentice was Rey and Leia’s protege is Poe. Hell even Vader gave is Luke and Leia.
     
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    And there is a Skywalker in it. Actually, three. Leia, Luke and Ben. What more do you want?
     
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    But I thought this trilogy's contrived plotline was about the rejection of lines altogether?
     
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    Interesting, but I don't recall Luke receiving lightsaber training either. Was a matter of fact, compared to what the Jedi in the PT received, Luke received absolutely NOTHING when it came to actual light saber training (at least as shown in the films). Didn't seem to stop him did it? As he duels Vader, he grows in his ability, something that could be explained as he is growing in his ability to tie into the force. The force is guiding him. Perhaps that is true with Rey.
     
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    True, but there were around 4 or 5 years between ep4 and ep6.
     
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    Very well said. I personally don't care about Rey's lineage. I think the story could work well regardless. Probably my biggest problem with the ST is that Rey's incredible power is unearned with no explanation. It seemed that everyone else required training and trials to turn their force sensitivity into force mastery.

    To make matters worse, at KK's urging a similar treatment was given to Leia. With no training all of a sudden she has mastered the force to the point where she can survive and fly through open space.

    One of the things I always liked is that being a Jedi wasn't like being a superhero because it wasn't something you were born being able to do. It was something you have been born with the ability to do, but it took training, discipline, and dedication to achieve.

    I am all for the GFFA being more inclusive and prior to hearing about KK's insistence about the Leia scene, I've never levied this charge against the ST, but bad things happen when you try to shoehorn a social agenda into a film where it doesn't naturally fit (all powerful women who don't seemed to have earned that power the way all the other characters have had to).
     
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    I's time for the "Skywalker privilege"....to end.

    /sarcasm
     
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    Yeah, but that's all for the nobility, amirite?!
     
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