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The Force Belongs to Us: THE LAST JEDI’s Beautiful Refocusing of Star Wars

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by DailyPlunge, Dec 18, 2017.

  1. Mike

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    The Force belongs to us? LOL.... This whole issue seems to have it's DNA embedded with the people that never liked the idea that how strong one is with the Force can be a bloodline's thing. We follow the Skywalker family, who are strong with the Force. That strength can be passed from parent to child. This doesn't exclude others from being strong in the Force or being able to use the Force. The PT and TCW shows and tells us that over hundreds of years, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions of beings, who were not Skywalkers were also extremely strong with the Force.

    Here's the thing, the Force doesn't belong to anyone. It has a will of it's own.
     
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    yep, how dare people point out and take issue with reinforcing offensive stereotypes in film.
     
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    Last jedi was the best movie since empire on the mere virtue of the fact that the skywalkers are bordom incarnate
     
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    So we're going with the scientific justification? She blown out of a moving ship. She was moving in one direction at who knows what speed while the ship was going who knows what speed in another direction. She didn't just have to give herself a gentle nudge in one direction at a stationary target. She had to launch herself at a speed fast enough to catch up with that moving target with the pin point accuracy to hit that door. Unless she had a navi-computer implanted in her brain, the accuracy alone of that maneuver is incredible.

    Again, if you're cool with explaining it away with "Luke taught her at some point" then that's cool. I just don't see it, personally but we can agree to disagree.

    But let's not say what she did is no big deal. And the above doesn't even address how she stayed alive in space. It was a pretty impressive feat.
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    I had a lot of teachers tell me to do a lot of things I never did. Still want to have some indication that actually happened.
     
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    You don't think TLJ is complimentary of women and minorities?? O_o I'm confused.
     
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    I think you're missing my point. Obviously there are plenty of other force users in the galaxy, seeing as how there have been thousands of Jedi for a thousand years. And there most certainly is room in the episodes for other force users. But my point is, these movies are about a specific family. I don't see why that's a bad thing.
     
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    After 8 episodes it's getting tiring. It limits storytelling.
     
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    This trilogy still is about that family. Luke isn't gone. He's become even stronger. And Kylo is one of the two main characters. But they're incorporating the idea that family doesn't need to be blood related. Rey found parental figures in Leia and Luke. She found her family. Luke might not be corporeal, but he will be no less important to her in episode 9.
     
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    Star Wars needs to change or else it will get stagnant. TFA was nice but it knows it has to grow beyond that.
    TLJ was the first step in that.
     
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    I'm thinking the phrase, "the Force belongs to us" is a chant of the spoiled fanboys who think that the entirety of their theories should be put to film at the expense of all else.
     
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    The Leia scene bothered me A LOT on 1st viewing and made me cringe, but I can't think of any other way for her to survive and make it back to the ship. Now I've just accepted it for what it is. I mean, I can justify it in many ways. I assume it wasn't because she had training. I believe it's more instinctual as if her body was going into survival mode. I'm not sure, but I could have swore I saw RJ say this somewhere, as if it were like one of those stories where a mother lifts a car. It's almost as if it wasn't Leia, but rather the force within her, like it were a symbiotic relationship and if it's host dies, it dies as well (if you know what I mean).
    P.S. This isn't me enjoying the scene, it's my opinion on how it works.
     
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    Yeah, I see it as the force rejecting that it was Leia's time to go. I believe it was meant to contrast Luke's becoming one with the force.
     
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    That's pretty dumb.
     
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    As opposed to that brilliant retort?
     
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    Yeah, about as dumb as the death star having a giant hole in it and LF having to make an entire movie explaining why or Leia kissing her brother because Obi-Wan didn't just tell the truth in the first place...

    So, how is the force helping Leia dumb. I thought the force was... you know what just forget it.
     
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    Do you really need a thirty page essay on why that explanation could just become an ass pull for every director going forward?
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    Yeah, a 2 meter wide exhaust port that resides in a heavily defended space station that is 160 kilometers wide is "giant".
     
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    Oh, sorry I wasn't even thinking about that. That was dumb on my part almost as dumb as the Empire being defeated by teddy bears, Anakin having no father, Vader not recognising droids, Anakin building c-3po, and oh yeah, remember medichlorians...
    You just need to "let the past die, kill it if you have to" amirite.:rolleyes:
     
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    Its called "The Skywalker Saga" because its a family chronicle. If that is tiring i dont really understand why you watch this new trilogy at all.
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    The fact that the prequels was bad doesnt make TLJ good.
     
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    You mean like how just because Kylo can force choke and freeze anyone it's stupid people bother fighting him? Or because Yoda can shoot lightning out of the sky he'd obviously have to use that against the first order?

    Powers are cool when they drive a theme of the movie, which this did.
     
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    And the remaining Rebel force as well as Chewbacca managing to hijack one of the AT-STs in order to gain more firepower. It wasn't just the Ewoks, you idiot.

    Something that is pretty much irrelevant to the entirety of Anakin's arc to begin with.

    Yeah, I'm sure he'll remember some droids he built as a kid (of which there were already hundreds, if not thousands of existing models) after all of the more relevantly painful things that had occurred in his life.

    I don't see how this is a bad thing nor damages the story.

    Midichlorians are a fairly benign yet interesting addition to the universe since all they explain is why only organic beings can access the Force and why Anakin's wounds and subsequent prosthetic replacement carried major consequences for him going forward.
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    It didn't.

    Yeah, it's almost like that's a plot hole or something. @DailyPlunge
     
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