The Force is Female: A BS Story

Oh, finally somebody adressed that!

The other "classic" argument is "Rian Johnson calling the fans "manbabies". In fact, by that tweet RJ was suggesting Gekk Girl Diva to stop feeding a specific troll - Jeff Schroeffel. A single person. Full story here:

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Another classic is "JJ Abrams says, that TLJ critics are afraid of women".
To illustrate:

If one didn't like TLJ -> one hates women

What he actually meant is this:

If one feels threated by women -> one won't like TLJ.

So it's the other way around.

Whatever you or I think about women in general and in SW in particular is not the point. The point is to keep facts straight.

So, any other notable "attacks on SW fans"?

 

Yeah, the self-victimization among some of the anti-TLJ crowd is frustrating, because we're not talking about them, but their interference is actually working to dismiss actual issues in the fandom.

I understand how they could feel attacked, and I sympathize, but at some point you just have to actually listen to the points being made and realize what the discussion actually is.

 

Why is this even happening? Do (some) people so strongly identify themselves with Star Wars that it's a personal insult if their faith is being tarnished? Or is it just current social issues (feminism, SJWs, alt-right etc) that spill over?

 

It’s a Nike slogan? Why isn’t anyone wearing Nike’s? Now I’M outraged!! Get your messaging right, people. My feet are very offended by this!

 

If we're talking about things taken completely out of context, we could add Rian Johnson talking about making deliberately divisive films: a remark not remotely about Star Wars and related to projects he was working on more than a decade ago. and as if a director's vision isn't unique to each project or evolves over time.

he can't win. people say he's rude to the fans, but when he tries to genuinely answer their questions, they just accuse him of making excuses instead of listening.
the man has the patience of a saint on twitter. : o p

i may not agree with everything Johnson did in TLJ, but there's no doubt in my mind that he loves Star Wars like the sun moon and stars, that he loves the fandom in spite of its unsavory elements, and that Kathleen Kennedy picked the exact right person with the exact right temperament for the job.

 

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Back on main topic, is there any actual evidence that KK is a diehard anti-men feminist other than the t-shirt and TLJ having too many "strong" women?

 

Her directorial picks for Star Wars. Look at how diverse they are:




I feel like I'm noticing a trend here...

 

Also before Ron Howard.... and before JJ

 

Absolutely agreed. We need to avoid this kind of "Gotcha" tactics, because honestly, Kennedy probably does identify as a feminist. I mean, I do too, and I'd encourage pretty much everybody to also.

I'm sure @Jack_Forest is using the phrase "anti-man" not to describe feminism, but to describe a small rogue splinter of feminism. But honestly, it's better if those terms aren't grouped together.

It's probably not hard to link Kennedy to feminist ideals, and it's great that she holds them in my opinion!

But to link her to "anti-man" ideas? Good luck.

 

That is usually described as "third wave feminism" and the label is usually attributed to the crazy ones, who hate men, say they are all "rapists" etc. I didn't really research any of that and since our local history of female rights is vastly different from the West, I don't really feel like I have to. Besides, that's not the point I am making.
The point is, that a lot of angry narrative around TLJ is that KK is somehow anti-men and that is why TLJ has some many "strong" women, who teach men lessons. I've seen some actual man-bashing in the Western sci-fi, so I disagree that TLJ is anti-men, but the idea is getting around and I am just interested to see if there is any actual evidence for that, other than the t-shirt.

 

Nah, that's not third wave feminism either.

But I get what you're saying. And yeah, I honestly have no idea where Kennedy would've said anything anti-man, and I really don't think that TLJ is simply because some guys get hit sometimes. Harm befalling people isn't exclusive to men in the movie by any means.

 

I think it's both. The initial reaction to TLJ was really that of people who had their religion attacked.
Then I think certain political sects saw a way in to garner favor with these disaffected people and woo them to their side.

 

KK should have known that wearing a "The Force is female" T-shirt could be used against her by trolls. It was a very bad PR move.