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The Force is Female: A BS Story

Discussion in 'General Movie Discussion' started by Beauke, Jul 25, 2018.

  1. eeprom

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    ¡Ay, caramba!
     
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    I always assumed ships were "she's" because their operations correlated with lunar cycles!
    As a sailor and fisherman I'm a slave to the tides. :rolleyes:
     
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    I didn’t know that. It is true that although grammatical gender is a linguistic classification it is strongly connected to our mental divisions and compartmentalising, and male and female are obvious ones... Allocating human qualities to objects is what probably decided their feminine or masculine gender in proto-Indo-European (although not exclusively). Other common gender classification in languages is animate or inanimate.

    It is curious how the English language somehow has some vestiges of gender in its grammar, like referring to ships as female... I personally always thought ships were referred to as she or her because they were “vessels” and therefore mothers... :)
     
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    In my language, that wouldn't work either: moon is masculine to. ;)
     
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    I knew it was a campaign like that, but took it like this. It's not to make Star Wars completely male free, or white male free, but more inclusive. As a child, I loved Star Wars, but there was really only one cool female character. You had a lot of little girls playing Han Solo and Darth Vader. I used to take the action figures and play out other movies, and make various droids aAnytime you make things more diverse as far as gender, you also see where some men complain that the are being pushed aside, when they are still there and always have been there. The center character may or may not be about them. The same goes as far as race. Seeing someone like you represented on the screen is important, especially to kids.
     
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    I wonder sometimes why some men feel so betrayed and underapreciated when there is a conscious effort to include women in empowered male domimated areas. It’s as if they felt women are receiving undeserved favours instead of thinking women are been given an opportunity and a voice in areas in which they have traditionally been overlooked. It’s something to be celebrated, not lamented.
     
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    If I had to guess, I’d say it’s on account of the average person lacking the capacity to walk and chew gum at the same time (as it were). Raising one segment of society up, ‘naturally’ must mean having to bring another segment of it proportionately down. So, if you’ve been in an unchallenged dominate position for as long as you can recall, the prospect of losing that dominance would logically be interpreted as a threat (perceived or otherwise). No one ever welcomes the concept of diminished capacity . . . or so's my interpretation. That's just a stab :)
     
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    It is just easier to bash what you fear or don't understand. I will stay on my rock and point out the flaws in all the other rocks so no one sees mine. A weakness in character. I really think you both nailed it.
     
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    It's creating an "other" they are the "other" it's easier to explain things if you create an "other" rather than understand.
    Make the "other" subhuman or evil or out to destroy you....
     
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    we used to take all the variant Leias and make each of them a unique character. so Boushh was different from Bespin Leia, from Hoth Leia, etc.
    and of course they all had their corresponding Hans, though we always put Boushh with Skiff Lando because he was awesome. XD

    i never minded that all the other characters were male (that was the world i grew up in, first of all, and secondly, i like male characters!). but having the cast that we have now is so amazing. : D
     
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    I look at it sort of like being the only child of doting and demonstrative parents. By virtue of simply being born, that kid has been afforded every privilege and advantage. He’s been the center of the universe for as long as he can remember and doesn’t know anything different. That’s how it’s always been for him and how it always will be. He deserves his particular station, not because of anything he did, but because of who he is. He’s entitled to it by default. A kind of ‘divine right’. “Everyone treats me as so important, I must BE that important.”

    Then one day, his parents bring home a baby sister and suddenly this geocentric universe of his is having to be shared. He’s no longer the principle beneficiary of this exalted position. His importance is degraded and, naturally, he’s resentful of both the circumstance and the perceived root of its inception (her). Not out of some aspect of jealously or rivalry, but a diminished concept of relevancy. His personal worth has decreased and he simply doesn’t matter as much as he used to. Whether that’s true or not, that’s his perception and his fear: the anxiety over being A one instead of THE one.

    It’s basic human nature. I have ALL of something, and now I’m being told I have to give some of it up and . . . well . . . I don’t wanna! You can’t make me! It’s mine! But certainly I’m oversimplifying things a great big bunch here :)
     
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    I think that's a spot on diagnosis of the psyche behind it.

    We are tribal, all humans are, and we generally don't like others who mess that up
     
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    Just want to take moment and say how much I love this comment.
     
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    This is a great analogy... but it begs the question: when are these “dethroned” boys going to grow up and overcome their resentment? Because it’s pretty hard getting things done or having any joy when children are throwing a tantrum...
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    Leia was such a great character in the first SW film... running around with her gun and giving orders left right and centre. :) I know that most characters were male and yet the film feels incredibly balanced. It made me believe that in the galaxy far away girls not much older than me went around in diplomatic missions :)
     
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    No, it’s not. You can definitely not make this comparison. This was a PR move, not a sexual assualt which you are taking the “she shouldn’t have worn revealing clothes” comparison from. The fact that you are using this comparison shows that you’re only interested in a certain type of discussion and not the subject at matter.

    A bad PR move is a bad PR move. It would be like Bog Iger turning up to a press conference in a clown outfit.
     
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    Well, it seems you're arguing that KK should take responsibility for the actions of trolls on the internet. I think that's a silly stance to take. Sure, the shirt has caused some bad PR but that doesn't mean it's her fault or that she did anything wrong.

    This analogy doesn't work because you've forgotten about context. It'd be more like if Bob Iger had a side gig working as a clown and then showing up to it in a clown suit. Like yeah, duh.
    But then people took the picture of him in a clown suit and reposted it saying this was him at a press conference.
     
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    The comparison can be made, because tactic is exactly the same. It shifts the blame from the attacker/trolls to victim/woman doing her job. This is exactly the subject matter, it's the title of this thread - this is a BS story.

    "Bad PR move" is bad in your opinion because somehow she should have predicted that her participating in a nice event, giving her support would be taken out of context and used against her and company. Like a victim of the assault should have predicted that she would be attacked because of how she was dressed. Context is different, but tactic is the same. And it's bull$hit.
     
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    I disagree. It was a great PR move on KK’s part. She gave a very possitive message on behalf of Lucasfilm and that’s what she needs to do. People that don’t get it and make a fuss should just be ignored. They are a minority anyway.
     
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    Yeah.
    Although it may seem like a zero sum game I'm pretty sure when diversity and equality are encouraged we all win.

    equality.png
    True that.
    And it's nice that my nieces know being/dressing as princesses includes this...

    princess 1.png

    and not just this...

    princess 2.png
     
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    Encouraged? Sure. Forced? No. When everybody has equal access to education, opportunities and people get hired based on professional qualities alone - that's when everybody wins. Sadly, what's more likely to happen is that "diversity quotas" are going to be put in everywhere and people will be hired based on the need to fill in those quotas, rather then skill.
    A good idea alone is not enough. Good execution is the key.
     
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