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SPECULATION The Great Mystery Revealed

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by master_shaitan, Sep 6, 2016.

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    I want more of this :cool:
     
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    we have preview pages of Force Awakens comic number 4 and it is about the vision. Check it out and it may reveal a little more than the vision in the movie, so be prepared about spoilers:

    (so anyone who wondered if there are dead bodies in the rain scene)
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    Any chance of enlarging them?! Thanks friend!
     
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    yep, already done in my original post. :)
     
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    who's the person in the Bespin corridor?
     
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    I guess Vader, but not sure.
     
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    Definitely Vader.
     
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    Reverse this. What if Rey is actually the "cover up" for Palpatines object on Jakku. She was left there mask it. Now that she is gone....uh oh.

    Luke's expression at the end of TFA now takes on a new meaning.

    Also, supposing Rey is counteracting the device, it's likely that it would nullify her force powers, which could explain why her powers would gradually increase during the events of TFA.
     
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    Does the thing on Jakku that diminishes Rey's force abilities, only affect light side force users? Because Kylo Ren's force powers are impressive during the attack on Lor San Tekka's village. He is able to stop a laser blast in midair and notices Finn's change of heart.
     
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    Whatever was on Jakku was taken off it a long time ago. The point is that Jakku was once a living planet before this signififcant Sith site (say that three times) was first created. So from this it is clear that this event brought destruction to Jakku. Is that a metaphorical thing or a literal thing? If literal, then this dark place and whatever lies within it, clearly have a massive impact on life on Jakku. And as we know "The Force is an energy field created by all living things.

    So my guess is that this Dark Side place or weapon either destroys life itself or absorbs it. And now, considering the introduction of Force trees and such like, which can empower Force users (and we see some kind of destroyed Force tree on Ahch-To) I am wondering whether this Sith weapon/place literally absorbs that which makes the Force/the Force itself. It draws in the energy of the Force. And then this can perhaps be transferred to someone who wishes to monopolise the Force itself.

    As for Rey, there is to me great significance in the fact that there is this lone flower growing within the AT-AT in which she lives in. It shows that life can survive and grow in the most hostile of places. It shows the re-awakening of life. And it shows that, both on Jakku and in Rey, the Force is returning/awakening. So my theory is that Rey is living essentially in ground-zero. And she has lived there quite soon after whatever was buried on Jakku was taken by Imperial forces. So perhaps Rey's Force power is in some way connected to that? We her parents exposed to this weapon/place whilst Rey was in her mothers womb? This gets a little hokey perhaps so it might be best to just look at Rey's power as simply the Force returning and choosing her to connect with?

    Luke, who has been searching the galaxy for Jedi lore and went off to Ahch-To soon after his academies destruction, to me, seems powerless when we meet him in The Force Awakens. So I think that Luke learned of this weapon from someone on Jakku (who is connected to Rey), went to retrieve it and destroy the person who had it and then lost his connection to the Force in the process. He then went to Ahch-To to find this mystical Force tree that he hoped could return his power. Perhaps he found it and it worked. Or maybe it didn't. But for Snoke, the person who was behind all this, he fears that Luke did get his power back and with it can create the new Jedi, that Snoke refers to.

    And now the Force has awakened. Things are getting back onto an even-keel (much like when the Rebels destroyed the Sith's Death Star - now the too sides of the Force are evenly matched). So with the returning of the light side, perhaps Luke is beginning to slowly regain his own power? It'd be nice of we see this once dead Force tree returning to life as Rey arrives on Ahch-To. The FO and Snoke are going to go all out to destroy Luke for he and Rey stand in the way of absolute domination - not just of the galaxy but of the Force itself...
     
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    Possible the effect is not immediate but rather gradual. I dunno. Lol
     
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    While I know that Rey practiced flying on simulators, she showed extra-ordinary piloting skills when Finn and her tried to escape from those TIE fighters in the Millennium Falcon on the surface of Jakku.
     
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    I'm just wondering whether, as out there as it sounds, if Rey is more connected to this "ancient Sith site" than I proposed in the OP.
    Let's imagine for a minute that Rey is the weapon.
    What got me thinking about this was discussion about Rey having amnesia or her mind being blocked.
    And this reminded me of Jean Grey in the X-Men series - being so powerful that Prof. X blocked her mind and thus restrained her powers somewhat.

    What if Luke discovered Rey on Jakku and put a mind block on her because of her terrible powers? Luke then went on a search for answers (hence why he was eventually led to Jakku).

    The question would be, who is Rey? How would she be a weapon created by the Sith or unearthed by Palpatine or even created by Palpatine? What would Luke have done to her and how would this have affected him? What if Rey absorbs the Force herself? So for instance, she doesn't overpower Kylo during the interrogation or saber battle, but rather drains his power?

    I dunno, lots of questions but might be useful to have some more thoughts on this...
     
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    Know what would have made that whole scene better? If instead of saying, "This ship hasn't flown in years," she'd said "I haven't flown this ship in years."
    Boom. Done. You'd get an explanation for her prowess as well as that wonderful Star Wars sense that there's a story in the line of dialogue, and your imagination gets to do its thing. Major missed opportunity...
     
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    Hi,
    Does any one know who this character from ROTJ is. He seems to be close aid/advisor to the emperor and looks he can be pre Death Star II Destruction scarred Snoke !

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    Stills from ROTJ 51:46 and 52:07
     
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    Isn't that Yupe Tashu? I think he also appears in the Aftermath: Life Debt book.

    EDIT: No, it is Sim Aloo: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sim_Aloo
     
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    Great theorizing and speculation here. But I really despise the idea of anyone losing their power (force abilities) for any reason. The force is always with you and I think using a device to either give or take it away is really contrived and weakens the general mythology that was so powerful in the OT, and in particular, really devalues the wisdom of Yoda in regard to the many things he told Luke (ie the force surrounds us, binds us). It also devalues Obi Wan's "the force will be with you.. always" wisdom. Do not like.

    I think the story should REALLY steer clear of objects or devices that control one's force abilities/power.
     
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    Fair point. I'm not in love with the idea of a device of some kind, crystal or whatever, doing this either.
    I do however think that for the sake of the story, that something like this must've happened to Luke.
    And now is perhaps a good time to remind people of another film with Lucasfilm collaborator, Jim Henson: Dark Crystal. Within that tale is the idea of life force draining (among others).

    http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Drained_Essence

    Note in particular the lines about The Emperor being the only one using the essence for age-reversing effects and also the last paragraph:

    Being drained of essence and made into slaves was the ultimate fate of all captured Podlings, and when Kira was captured by the Skeksis, she was going to have her essence drained. However, only a few drops of her essence were collected before the animals in SkekTek's laboratory helped her escape.
     
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    Totally forgot about this in Aftermath:

    "Did you know that Sith Lords could sometimes drain the Force energy from their captives? Siphoning life from them using it to strengthen their connection to the dark side? Extending their own lives, as well, so that they could live for centuries beyond their intended expiration?"
     
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    There are a few loose parallels with Dark Crystal -- I think there was a thread that touched on this back when we thought Rey was named Kira? But the essence-draining you mention could also be taken more figuratively, e.g. Snoke wants Rey because he wants to wield her power.

    Anyway think of the crystal shard that "calls" to Jen as the lightsaber that calls to Rey. Jen embracing his destiny by gripping the crystal shard and hammering it back into the Dark Crystal after his friend is seemingly slain is similar to Rey embracing her destiny by gripping the lightsaber and battling Kylo Ren after her friend is seemingly slain. The vision/memory of the Garthim crab creatures taking a child gelfling from its family is similar to Rey's vision of her traumatic origin. Jen/Kira are orphans, Rey/Finn are orphans. Kira has a cute rolling sidekick named Fizzgig, Rey has a cute rolling sidekick named BB8. The Skeksis/Mystics as embodiments of a previously unified spiritual force, similar to the dark/light side of the force. I'm sure we can extrapolate a few others, e.g. the Skeksis "trial by stone" to declare a new leader may be similar to Kylo's ascension to leader of the Knights of Ren.

    Also, Maz is totally Ogra, no question. Rey gets the lightsaber from Maz, Jen gets the shard from Ogra. After Rey gets the lightsaber, stormtroopers attack and destroy Maz's castle; after Jen gets the shard, Garthim attack and destroy Ogra's castle.

    Hot take: Dark Crystal > TFA

    PROPHECY SAYS GELFINGS WILL DESTROY US

     
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