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SPOILER The Grey

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by DarthLuketheWise, Mar 26, 2017.

  1. DarthLuketheWise

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    SPOILER if you didn't watch the season finale of Star Wars Rebels tonight!

    Onward

    A lot has been made of Luke trying to seek balance in the Force, that perhaps the best way to do so is not to continue the Jedi Order as we know it but to seek the "Grey". Or "the Middle".. a further sense of enlightenment in the Force that Trumps Jedi and Sith alike.

    Our friend Bendu in Rebels has led to much of this speculation since he was introduced. But if you watched tonight's finale and Bendu's role in it... do you still feel that way? I can't say I do.

    All I saw really was a menacing cloud intent on destroying anyone and anything in it's path, not caring one iota about the plight of the Sith, Jedi or people of the Galaxy facing destruction at the hands of the Empire.

    So given that, is the Grey truly something worth attaining if you're Luke or Rey? After tonight, I don't see it.
     
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    I don't believe there will be Grey Jedi or Sith. As Pablo Hidalgo has stated, "I don't understand Grey Jedi. You're either a Jedi or you aren't." This will probably carry onto Episode 8, and Luke will definitely be the Last Jedi, and Rey will become something else. But I'm extremely hesitant to even say that, considering how much the Jedi are a part of the mythology. Commercially, as well, getting rid of Jedi might be a bad idea. Any movie after this, the casual movie goer sees a good guy with a lightsaber will be like, "Oh, that's a Jedi!". That's if they decide to get rid of the Jedi and make Rey something else.

    HOWEVER, I can see the Jedi going more to their roots when they served the Force ENTIRELY. Less narrow minded, freer, I think. More liberal Jedi but not TOO MUCH, like a Jedi practicing the Light and Dark sides of the Force. Jedi who use the Dark side will destroy what we know of the Dark side. That it is corrupting and that it will forever dominate your destiny. The recent content continuously implies that by the time of the Clone Wars the Jedi had lost themselves and served the Senate more than the Force.
     
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    Bendu wasn't going to actively help others like the Jedi, nor was he going to conquer and dominate the galaxy like the Sith. He stayed aloof but would (and did) lash out if disturbed. One could argue that Luke in TFA behaved somewhat like Bendu, in that he hide out on Ahch-To instead of helping his sister and the Resistance against the FO. Hopefully there will be a good explanation in TLJ for why Luke had done that.
     
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    Yeah I'm sure there will be.. driving us all nuts trying to figure that out in the meantime! LOL. But I don't see Luke lashing out at the Republic/Resistance or Rey for that matter once he's been awoken from his slumber. As much as Bendu appeared to be passive until last night, his indiscriminate aggression makes me question how that has any place in the lore of the Force
     
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    I never was into the Bendu thing....I've always thought the character was instrumental in Kanan's path (and his blindness to be also simbolic).
    Bendu helped Kanan character to face his "gray".
    I mean, Kanan never felt sicure of his own training, of his own path as a Jedi.
    He felt incomplete, he doubted to be able to train Erza in a proper way etc.
    Their (Kanan and Bendu) dialogue in the last episode and the last lines of Kanan showed him finally moving forward.
     
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    Maybe LF uses this concept of "grey force users" within the connection between Rey and Kylo Ren. If they are combining their powers (the light and the dark), then they become kinda like "grey force users". Only by this combination they can bring balance to the force and they will form a new order of force users.
    (@Joe12Hawk, I think you made me thinking like this.)
     
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    Bendu wasn't a jedi, he has his own path.
     
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    He said he is in the middle, that doesn't mean he is in the middle. And another thing I would think about is the whole grey thing, I mean yeah that never made real sense, a force lightning user that is still good at heart may look cool but is somehow against anything we know about the force from Lucas himself. I don't think that this whole power level stuff will make it into a narrative, that is something that leads to less storytelling then more, you just have to state which is better and boom there is the story, lame like lightsaber forms. The force is universal energy and those characters have their own interpretation of it and ultimately the force decides what works at best in that context.

    And let us not forget how he tried to grill the Ghost and couldn't really hold his temper.
     
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    Bendu was provoked. when the fleet vamoosed, he ultimately did not pursue them.

    if Bendu is both the Light and the Dark as he claims, then it only makes sense that he has the capacity to use both to defend himself, his home, his sanctity.
    these people came to make war on his peaceful island. uncool.

    would he have killed them all? we don't actually know.
     
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    Bendu = plaguesis
     
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    But Bendu could safe himself;).
     
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    I think it highlights that being "in the middle" or neutral is not quite the altruistic thing many perceive it to be.
    It could be a very selfish thing.
     
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    And Rey's mother.
     
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    And Rey's daddy.
    That's right. We got ourselves a Maury Povich situation folks.

    [​IMG]
     
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    I don't think Lucasfilm will do that cuz of Pablo's believing George Lucas's interpretation of the Force is the only the one that counts. The Force is perspectival and I think George himself understood that unlike Pablo.
     
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    I think that, if you are simply a follower of the force like what we sw in R1, then it's entirely possible to be "grey" or in the middle. It's just that I think the people with lightsabers such as the jedi and sith follow a certain set of rules that define what's "good" and what's "bad". So someone who is a jedi CAN become grey but they will no longer be a jedi or a sith. I think the closest anyone has come to being grey is Quinlan Vos but he still follows the jedi code - sort of. In order to start a new order, Luke would have to either adhere to the ways of the jedi that HE was taught by Yoda and Obi-Wan and/or use the ancient traditions of the jedi when he went to find the first jedi temple or whatever to start his new order.
     
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    It is more about the things that Yoda said, like the Dark Side will forever be the destiny. Actually we saw it in the moment when Ani turned in a second. The Dark side comes with a price, once you take that away from the narrative, it is completely useless to stay on the light side.
     
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    Yeah exactly my thoughts. Will be interesting to find out what he's discovered in all this time. And will be very interesting (hopefully!) to get Yoda, Obi Wan and perhaps others Force Ghosts opinions on the best way to move forward.

    Thanks for your replies everyone!
     
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    I disagree the old Jedi could never be heroes like Leia, Luke or even Han. There beliefs themselves I think we're flawed just as there political ties to the Republic were corrupt. That seems logical to me anyway.
     
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    yeah the old jedi were definitely heroes as well as the modern jedi with obi-wan and all. It's not that their beliefs were flawed but they had to adapt to the atmosphere of the galaxy as everything evolved. Maybe they lost their main purpose over time as a result though but regardless heroes can and will exist on all sides, both dark and the light
     
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