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The Hollywood Reporter Adds New Details About the State of Star Wars Spin-Offs

Discussion in 'SWNN News Feed' started by SWNN Probe, Jun 22, 2018.

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    What a weird couple of days it's been for Lucasfilm public relations, to say the least. Hot off the trail of a rumor indicating that Lucasfilm was going to freeze development on Star Wars spin-offs, other outlets have presented new information suggesting that existing movie ideas are being re-evaluated or are simply being delayed after Solo was a financial disappointment. Now, The Hollywood Reporter are throwing their hat into the ring with some new info specifically focused on the alleged Boba Fett and Obi-Wan Kenobi projects.





    When asked about what's going on at Lucasfilm with the spin-offs, an insider talking to THR mentioned that 'They haven’t slowed down development, but they are licking their wounds [over Solo].' The indication is that Kathleen Kennedy and various company representatives are rethinking their game plan as opposed to panic-cancelling a bunch of projects, as some had initially feared. Another insider chipped in: 'It doesn’t mean those spinoffs don't happen. It just means they’re trying to figure out how to make, and market, them differently.'



    On the note of specific spin-offs, two rumored films were brought up by THR: Boba Fett and Obi-Wan Kenobi. The former currently has more concrete information going for it: James Mangold and Simon Kinberg are still working on a script for Mangold to direct, but there's an indication that the film's scope (and by extension its budget) could be scaled down a bit in order to make the film less of a risk in the event that it performs more like Solo than Rogue One. Meanwhile, they couldn't confirm if Stephen Daldry was still working on Obi-Wan Kenobi (some rumors indicate that Daldry exited the project weeks before Solo was released), and that Ewan McGregor has currently agreed to play Daniel Torrance in an adaptation of Doctor Sleep, Stephen King's sequel to The Shining. With McGregor's schedule full through 2020, the absolute earliest an Obi-Wan Kenobi film could arrive would be 2021.



    As long as Lucasfilm figures out how to get on the same page with the spin-offs and keeps their budgets in-check, they should be better-suited to find success with non-episodic films than Solo. It's a bit reassuring to see that they are trying to get a better assessment on the situation going forward instead of the reactionary response that it initially appeared to be. More on this story is bound to appear, so stay tuned to SWNN as the news breaks.





    Source: THR





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    Thanks fer the Info.
    Interestin' fer sure.
    Me, just me sayin' this for Me ...
    I'll wait to be told What's What by LucasFilm.
    Yep.
    Other folk ?
    Go on ... go all kind'a outta control over this.
     
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    Boba Fett looks cool and sells merchandise but he almost definitely would not be a big draw for a standalone movie.

    Cameo in a smuggler/pirate movie, also featuring Jabba, with a new lead would be good.
     
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    The biggest problem with Solo was that it cost the studio so proportionately more than that premise ever justified. Maybe focus on whatever production mismanagement allowed that to happen and fix that?
     
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    I hope they have a good Maclunkey masterpiece of a script if they are really going to make a Bobba Fett film.
     
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    they will need to marketing well that movie, to sell that character
     
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    The problem is that they have no plan. For months before TLJ I argued they SURELY have a plan. No, it appears there is no plan. And that is a MAJOR freakin problem.

    The spin offs really could help move the story forward and they could fill in the gaps. Instead they give us Rogue One (a film I personally love) and Han Solo, the first of which did fill in SOME gaps I suppose. The latter did no such thing. I enjoyed Solo, but the whole Darth Maul thing felt tacked on (and why does he need to ignite his light saber???).

    A plan should have looked something like this:

    Film 1: Lead up to the Force Awakens. Maybe give us Luke and the fall out between him and Ben Solo. You could have had all three of the "big three" in the film. If Harrison didn't want to do more than one film then you could kill him off in that one. Release December '15
    Film 2: The Force Awakens. Release December '16
    Film 3: Rey Becomes a Jedi: A Star Wars Story. Make it one where she really has something to over come and give her a true weakness. Release December '17
    Film 4: Rogue One, or another film that helps to build the world of the Jedi/force. You could do it on the Guardians of the Whills. Maybe one about the Jedi Sith split. Maybe feature a young Snoke??? Or you could do a Snoke origins story.
    Film 5: The Last Jedi. By this time we've had at least two films with Mark portraying Luke and his loss of faith in the Jedi won't be as divisive. Maybe. Release December '19. This also means the Saga films are more of an "event."
    Film 5: A film about the rebuilding of the Jedi order under Rey? Maybe the Boba Fett/Bounty Hunter film? December'20
    Film 6: Something that helps build up to IX? December '21
    Film 7: Saga Episode IX. Again this gives them a few years in between to have actual rewrites of a script and make sure it's tight and well written. December '22.

    It just feels like there is no rhyme nor reason to what they are doing. It's like KK said, "Hey, I like you Rian, here, do a trilogy of films." Okay, but about what??? "Whatever you want to do." My question is, where is the plan again? Then LFL says, "Hey, those guys who did Game of Thrones, they are really popular. Let's give them a couple of films to work on." Again, plan??? Maybe there is a plan, but it REALLY feels like they are flying by the seat of their pants, they've been caught and now trying to get their house in order. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe all of this is part of a master plan. But boy does it feel like there is no plan and the captain fell asleep at the wheel.
     
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    As for me, I like movies. I like Star Wars movies. Why would anyone who likes Star Wars not want more Star Wars? I like Star Trek, you know how much Star Trek there is? Seven seasons in a general series. You know how much Star Trek that is? It's just odd to me that we've had, what? Four Star Wars movies in contemporary cinema, that's what? Eight hours of Star Wars? And people are actually wanting to stifle more? What is this? I'm seriously asking the question. What is going on because it's highly strange.

    Does anyone who is of the mind "It's too much, there's too much Star Wars" while at eight hours, not watch a series on television that runs multiple seasons of like, fifty hours or more of material?

    How could you tell if your script is a masterpiece of a script? Why wouldn't all movies have a masterpiece of a script if it's as easy as looking at a script and saying "This is a masterpiece of a script"? Who determines when a script is a masterpiece, and why do some people say "That is a masterpiece" while other people say "It's trash"?

    How does it appear there is no plan? And why does a plan really matter? Does a plan guarantee critical and box office success? I don't think it does. My experience with plans is, they seldom hold through. I'm not sure if you've ever been involved in some kind of artistic process, but they have this way of taking on a life of their own, and the plan doesn't hold through. Plans can actually be a negative constraint.

    Why do you think that plan would create some sort of, success? Do you think that films which are not critical well-received, or, box office successes is because they had no plan?

    About Maul igniting his saber, it seemed to me that he was meaning that he wanted to begin some sort of master/apprentice relationship, so he ignited his saber to allude to that by saying "working more closely together" and ignite saber to say it in a kind of intimidating subtext.

    It's funny, in my experience people often repeat this "show don't tell" axiom, right? Then when a movie shows and doesn't tell, they react with "I don't like that, I can't understand what that is" and you have to tell them.
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    The funny thing about spin-offs is that, some people are like "Why make a spin-off for a minor character" but yet I heard a lot of people after watching the Deadpool 2 trailer talking about how they'd like a Peter spin-off movie. I thought, yeah, I'd watch that. A Peter spin-off. But, not a Boba Fett spin-off? What exactly deserves a spin-off? Like, Mork from Ork who was in a single episode of Happy Days? Most spin-offs are of relatively minor characters. Because the major characters already have their own movies/comic books. Do you know how many comic book spin-off characters came from a single appearance in a main comic book character's comic?
     
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    That's not the point. The point is that Bobba Fett is not enough of a character to carry a movie by himself, so they need a really good script that would make him into one. Otherwise the movie would fail as spectacularly as Fett himself in RotJ.
     
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    It is kind of the point, though. Think about any original movie that has ever been made. For sake of point, let's say, the original movies that you liked. Okay, so, you knew nothing about the characters before going in, right? Because, they didn't even exist as characters prior to the movie. Yet, they were somehow able to carry the movie by themselves, true? Even though they not only were "not enough of a character", they were in fact, non-existent prior. And I don't know about you, but I'd say 0.7% of a character is greater than 0.0% of a character, agree?

    Following on this though, I'll mention, let's say, the Sergio Leone, Man With No Name trilogy. Those seem to be regarded as, great movies if not masterpieces of cinema. Or if you don't know those, how about something like, John Wick? You like John Wick? So, how much of a "character" were/are these? One is a bounty hunter, who goes around shooting people. The other is a retired hitman who, goes around shooting people. Yet, somehow. Great? By the way, I personally like both of those very much.

    The point is that, among an apparently very large group of people (large enough to have a noticeable presence) there is this, predisposition to put, let's call them, inappropriately fantastic constraints of expectation on these movie belonging to this particular franchise. Constraints that, in the minds of these people, make sense. But in actuality, are based on the most bizarre thoughts.

    It's like these people are going into this with the mindset that, they are going to hate this movie by default, and it is up to the persons making the movie to provide a near-religious experience in order to pacify them. And a group within that group is going to attack like rage-zombies if that pacification doesn't occur. It's almost like, I'm watching a monster movie starring the people that make Star Wars movies as the protagonists who are racing to escape the zombies and find a cure before it's too late.

    They're going with Boba Fett because he has always been a fan-favorite. This is why they make so many Wolverine movies. That's why Boba Fett. And, call me crazy, but I'm pretty sure Boba Fett will have a story, in a Boba Fett movie.
     
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    I don't think the issue is whether or not Boba will have a story. I think the concern is more or less will that story be strong enough to carry for an entire movie. I'm a huge Boba Fett fan, but even I'm somewhat skeptical about this. Now I think if he had a strong role in a movie that included many other bounty hunters/major players in the Star Wars underworld, that would be a story people would be able to get behind. You would still have the large Boba Fett element people want without the entire movie depending solely on Boba.
     
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    Seems like if a person is concerned about a story being strong enough to carry an entire movie they'd have that concern about, pretty much every movie ever made. Not quite sure why this concern suddenly becomes a vocal concern with some very specific movies in a specific franchise. I mean, I don't really here "I'm skeptical that this upcoming film will contain a story strong enough to carry for an entire movie."

    If we list all the movies coming out say, this year alone, are you also voicing your skeptical concern about those movies having a story strong enough to carry for an entire movie? Or is this concern pretty much localized to this one movie?
     
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    Like I said I'm a fan of the character, but a lot of his popularity is based solely on the amount of fascination people have with him from a looks perspective. The character has a very unique look in the Star Wars universe and that is one of the big reasons I like him, but he has a very limited role in the grand scheme of the original trilogy and there are only so many directions they can probably take the character in his own movie without it being a very repetitive movie (ex: Boba gets bounty contract, Boba hunts down bounty, Boba collects bounty). Also, you have to keep in mind that if this movie goes to theaters it will have to perform very strongly and while a fair amount of Star Wars fans know the character and want to learn more, there is the risk that the more casual movie goer, which seems to be the group that Solo wasn't able to connect with, may not have an interest in this movie and then we have a repeat of the Solo box office issue and another nail in the coffin of the stand-alone movies. I still think he could have a very large role in a movie that includes other bounty hunters and crime lords (possibly Crimson Dawn and Maul) competing for a large contract. This would allow for more character details to be fleshed out and, if its successful, can potentially lead to a movie that focuses primarily on Boba. I want a good, darker Star Wars movie that explores the grittier side of the galaxy and this would be a good jumping off point for that.

    What other movies are you referring to? Normally if a movie is about a character I'm not too familiar with or a story that seems a bit too cut and dry then yes I will be skeptical about it.
     
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    Yeah but that's pretty much what all character franchises are. John Wick is a hitman who kills people. Ethan Hawke (not sure of the exact name; Mission Impossible character) gets a mission, does the mission. John McClane, is in the wrong place at the wrong time. Beats the bad guys. Superhero movies are, something happens, guy gets superpowers, defeats the bad guy. James Bond goes on a mission. You know? So yeah, Boba Fett gets a bounty, does the job. Different things happen in each movie. Not sure why a Boba Fett movie gets a special kind of concern for doing what basically every movie does.

    Can't argue with that.

    Well, I suppose any original movie that's coming out since you can't possibly be familiar with entirely new protagonists in an original movie. I guess we could just make it up it'd be the same in concept. Did you hear they were planning on a movie this year about a cop? You skeptical about the story being able to carry the movie? There's a samurai movie coming out. Skeptical about the ability of the character to carry the story?
     
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    Ethan Hunt is the name you're looking for. Sorry, I'm huge Mission Impossible fan (Movies, haven't seen the old show). Thank you JJ for bringing life back into the franchise :D
     
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    And I think this is where we disagree. The difference between a Boba Fett movie and any other original movie is that the Star Wars universe is well established which does potentially place some constraints around what they can do with Boba Fett. Since he's gone by the time the OT has concluded, he can't have any significant impact on a lot of the main characters because those story lines are established. This really only leaves between where Boba's story stopped in the Clone Wars TV show and Episode 5 for them to play around with. They could try to do a rise to notoriety story, but again I think fans would expect to see some major players (ex: Jabba, Greedo, Bossk, etc...) since some of those characters have already had interactions with Boba in the Clone Wars. They can't really explore Mandalore because Boba is a clone of Jango and Jango isn't Mandalorian in the canon anymore and Mandalore was under Imperial occupation by the time the Rebels TV show rolls around so again the time frame for them to focus on Boba gets smaller with regards to this potential story line. I could be totally wrong and they write an amazing story about Boba since a lot of this is just speculation on my part, but I think it may be difficult to have a story line that focuses only on Boba and for it to be a box office success due to the overall lack of draw I could see the character having for the casual movie goer.
     
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    Yeah I get all of that. Some concepts I suppose appeal to some more than others. I can understand a person who hears about a, say, romance story and is like "Romance story I don't have much interest" or another "Oh sounds good I like that concept" because of these, foundational aspects of our personalities. But a movie is so much more than just the story concept, right? Visuals, editing, music, actors, mood, lightning, so much is going into that medium, so much that makes a movie what it is in the finished product that we won't even experience until we're actually watching the movie.

    A story can be really simple, but the choice of cinematography, the choice of editing, music, all of those things working together can achieve something greater than just the sum of the parts, you know what I'm saying? Without knowing how those things come together in the finished product, it just seems virtually impossible, to me at least, to really have any kind of reaction to, any basic statement like "Boba Fett movie" beyond "Okay, well, I like Boba Fett" (primarily because of the "cool" factor of aesthetic in the armor, cool anti-hero kind of, few words, bounty hunter, mystique kind of thing.) So the character is like, okay, a character.

    But the finalized movie, contains so many possibilities by way of all the moving parts that any kind of, skepticism or such, becomes this, impossiblity to have any kind of, reaction. Because the possibilities are near-endless. "Boba Fett movie" is the same as "Samurai movie" or "superhero movie" or "crime movie" or "cop movie" that's just one point on a tree with limitless branches. The usual reaction to "samurai movie" is a shrug because, all of those parts of a visual story with music, and specific actors bringing the role to life and their performances, and, just everything is so, unknowable until the end result.

    That's why when I hear "Don't like the idea of a Boba Fett movie" it's like I'm looking at a road with infinite pathways branching off from one another and asking "Are you thinking there's just one road?" It's like, if someone asked me "Would you rather a Boba Fett movie or an Obi-Wan movie" "Wolverine movie or Deadpool movie?" "Samurai Movie or cowboy movie?" those questions are virtually meaningless to me. I can't anser that. But there's a guy next to me says "Oh definitely a cowboy movie since there's not much you can do with a samurai movie" I'm like, at a loss to comprehend what is going on in that statement. But the statement is there.

    And it seems specific to Star Wars. Marvel would be like "We're doing this character movie" and people are like "Cool" or DC we're doing that character "Cool!" or Star Trek can be "This character" "Nice" but you get to Star Wars and "We're doing this character" "I don't like that" "Bad"

    Also, about Boba Fett's fate in RotJ, surely you know the classic concept, "Not actually dead until you see a body"? Just because you see a guy go into a hole, doesn't mean the guy is dead. I mean, if you owed Boba Fett money, and he was after you, and somebody showed up and said "don't worry about it, he's dead" and you say "Really? That good to know." and the guy says "Yeah, I saw him go into a hole" would you be like "Oh well, that proves it. No more worries." or would you be like "I'm still worried he's not dead. Going into a hole doesn't alleviate my concerns that he might be alive'
     
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    I think the reason why people have more of a negative response for Star Wars is because of just how small of a role Boba Fett has in the grand scheme of all the content in canon. I think you could compare this to say if they had made a maul standalone film wayyyy before the events of the Clone Wars. Maul, to a certain extent, was the Boba Fett of the prequel trilogy in my opinion (I liked him as a child for the same reasons I like Boba; he looked cool). I think fans would have had the same level of skepticism about the character and I'm not sure if you have seen the Clone Wars and Rebels but it took a fair amount of episodes in both shows to really flesh out his character and this, for me, is the biggest reason why I'm hesitant about an only Boba film. I think to truly do the character justice they would need to really develop him and I don't think it would be possible to do that in just a single film. I'm not the biggest Star Trek or Marvel fan, but I'm sure there are parts of those fan bases that would react similarly to how parts of the Star Wars fan base react to a Boba Fett film over a character in those respective films that has a similar small role in the big picture of everything, but is given their own standalone story.

    I used to be hardcore on the Boba ain't dead until we see a body train, but now I really hope they don't pull that trick. After Maul coming back from the dead and now being incorporated into the films via Solo, I think Lucasfilm has used up all their chips when it comes to bringing back characters that were written off in their respective stories. If they keep bringing back characters then we will probably start to see some backlash from the fans and a whole lot of confusion from the more casual movie goers.
     
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