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SPECULATION The Impact of Leia's Death

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by master_shaitan, Jan 3, 2018.

  1. master_shaitan

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    In TLJ, Kylo admits that he loved his father and that is why he had to kill him. If he didn't, he'd have held on to his attachment and compassion, preventing him from becoming "who he was meant to be". As we begin episode IX, Luke and Han are dead...and of course, Leia's death will be imminent, if it hasn't already occurred.

    This may mean that Carrie Fisher's death could actually provide a different opportunity with the story in regard to Kylo Ren's journey. For now, all those things that Kylo talked about killing, namely his parents, are dead. They're gone. So he will find out what that means for him. And if it doesn't help him continue on his destructive quest, he will perhaps rethink what he is actually doing.

    Another impact of this untimely death, will be that which is upon Rey. She has grown close to Leia and likely regards her as "the mother she never had". So for Rey, this will cause great emotional pain. She spent years waiting for a family that were never coming back and never loved her anyway. And then when she finally makes a family that she always dreamed of, they die off - first Han, then Luke and now Leia. When you consider this, coupled with her forbidden love style connection with Ren and the on-going conflict of dealing with who she is and where she came from, it becomes clearer to imagine where the push and pull tension between light and dark will come from for Rey.

    Finally, what I found interesting about TLJ was that Leia's role as leader of the resistance was ever so slightly minimised in the final act. Holdo was the one to sacrifice her life (which would've been a great end to Leia's story). And then we see Poe step forward and Leia stepping back somewhat. It was as if Poe's ascension foreshadowed the death of Leia - even though this wasn't predicted nor planned for. And so now Poe will have to lead the Resistance without his great mentor.

    So I guess, in a lot of ways, the presence of Princess Leia, will be strong in Episode IX....
     
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    I WANT A FUNERAL FOR LEIA & I WANT THEM 2 PLAY A HOLO (using archival footage) AS A MEMORIAL.
     
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    Probably a missed oportunity in TLJ. It was a great death in the space.
    In my opinion the impact of Leia's death will be minor in EIX, at least for viewers, although they make a great funeral. I think It will appear in Openning Crawl or in an obviously way we won't see Carrie or any actress (cause the needed time jump?), so the impact will be reduced for us.
    Probably in some characters like Ben or Poe could be much bigger. Ben will find that his acts destroyed his mother and could be redeemed for that and killing his father (i keep thinking when Han touch his son's face before dying is so powerful and important).
    For Poe probably will grow in him the proper strength to rebuild a new kind of Rebellion.
     
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    That's all well & good but 2day Hollywood hates happy endings. Ren/Ben dies.
     
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    Assuming there is no status change on Lucasfilm not digitally re-creating Leia or using archival footage from VII or VIII, I think there will be an impact in terms of leveraging other OT/PT characters.

    They will most certainly have to leverage Luke (which may not be all that different than originally planned), but I also think that this means there is a higher chance that we will see appearances from an Anakin (Hayden), a Lando (Billy Dee), and maybe -wishful thinking here- even a flashback scene with Han (Harrison). I think that Carrie's untimely passing means that IX has to have more tools in its toolbox to bring in the older fans.
     
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    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Exactly.

    If it's just 2 minutes of ghost Luke & no ghost Anakin or no Han flashback or no archival holo Leia. Then I'll just watch 9 once.

    U can't sell a TON of older fans on just the new kids ALONE.

    Hell, get Wedge 2 comeback! ANYTHING!
     
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    Disney offered Wedge's actor a chance to be in TFA, but he turned it down because he said it would "bore" him.
     
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    Somehow Judy Dench's M in SPECTRE comes to my mind, briefing Bond for his next mission after her passing.
     
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    I really love this outlook and i think could be really powerful (if people are open to star wars having some complex emotional arcs) and i feel in my opinion Daisy and Adam can pull this off performance wise.

    i think her passing is what is going to spark the force bond again that have been cut off for a few years. through mutual pain they will regain that footing and understanding they had in TLJ
     
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    I actually hadn't thought of it like that, but that makes a lot of sense - especially if we have a good few years time jump where they had no contact. Then this mutual loss hits them both hard...
     
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    Except that Kylo wasn't exactly concerned with her potential death when he ordered "Take no prisoners.". He knew that she was in there.
     
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    The dust will have settled after a few years. And we can't know the true impact upon him until she actually dies...
     
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    It will surely haunt him like the deaths of Han and Luke will and after that we can only speculate. What we DO have is him ordering the potential death of Leia. Being haunted by killing his own father didn't make him want to kill Luke any less either. The haunting does not mean remorse.
     
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    But did he? Last he knew she was on Snokes shuttle. No way of knowing that she was there or in falcon.

    I have a theory that the force bond is still there post Snoke being dead but now it’s not the far reaching of the galaxy it only happens when they are a lot closer

    Just a thought
     
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    We are talking about Leia. Either way, you wanna sell that Kylo and Rey still have that super-strong connection but he didn't know she was on the Falcon when he ordered it shot down? Haha, no, but that is a debate for another thread.
     
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    I don't think he was in the frame of mind to tell his ar$e from his elbow at that point.
     
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    Regarding Leia, she should have been killed off in TLJ. It's just ridiculous to play with her like that and make the audience believe she's dead only to have her force-pull back into the ship. For one it's risky and messes with a lot of lore, and two the viewers know carrie fisher is dead. So to have her die in the film basically, only to come back from the void of space is offsetting.

    And I agree. If Leia had to have survived the blast at the beginning of the film -- then her replacing Holdo on that hyperspace attack would have been great.

    Also, that's a good point about Rey. Assuming Leia is killed off early in Ep 9 (if not before Ep9), it'll be interesting to see how Rey reacts to it. Rey already channeled anger once after losing a parentlike figure. When Kylo killed Han, she showed a lot of rage when dueling Kylo. If Rey is to turn to darkness in some capacity due to Leia's demise, I believe it'd set up for some reunion between her and Kylo in which they both come together at the end of Ep9 and both fill each other's emotional voids
     
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    I agree :)
    --- Double Post Merged, Jan 17, 2018, Original Post Date: Jan 17, 2018 ---
    I apologise didnt mean to go off target a bit
     
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    LOL, you are an endless source of excuses for that character, all because you want him romantically linked to Rey. If you can't see that he's evil by now, then you are willfully ignoring what he has done so that you can justify your desires for the character.
     
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    It has nothing to do with what I allegedly want for the character. It's where I think the story is going. I'm not even suggesting that there will be some great romantic pay-off. Just that I can see his redemption coming, that it is far more complex than Vader's and that it will be strongly inspired by his feelings for Rey - in whatever form that comes in.

    It could be that he just winds up "evil" and dead but I don't see any value or interest in that whatsoever. And I just think is story points to redemption. You don't give him that background, the connection he has with Rey and the on-going conflict just to make it a cheap "Ah-ha! He's evil!" surprise.

    I've felt that Kylo Ren is the Anakin we expected and wanted in the PT and that this will also be reflected in his redemption in that it makes more sense and it more complex than Anakin's. The night is darkest before the dawn...
     
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