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The Knights of Ren in Ep IX

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by CnlSandersdeKFC, Dec 19, 2017.

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    Yeah, me too. Really looking forward to them. The fact that Kylo is the leader now makes it easy to put them in the spotlight as well.

    No precise expectations, just make them cool as hell. I want them to remain mysterious, though. No unmasking, please (although tie-ins will probably ruin the mystery at some point...). If Kylo turns, they can fight him at the end. Also, KoR can operate separately or in smaller groups. Even Finn and co. can face one of them. If they use the Force, they can be a super interesting kind of threat - not powerful enough to handle them as main, plot-armoured villains, but dangerous and challenging for the good guys (and fresh from the viewer's perspective).

    The potential is huge. Don't waste it J.J.!
     
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    If they are not used In Episode IX then i will take an huge dump outside disney's/Lucasfilm headquarders in brought daylight;);););)....
     
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    Yes, I am saying that Kylo Ren was willing to kill his own knights because the red guards (KOR) were protecting Snoke. Now that Snoke is dead. The red guards go after Kylo Ren and Rey. The Knights OF REN are dead. Now Kylo Ren is a traitor because he killed Snoke.

    I am not sure how to answer your second question.
     
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    Ah I see, well then, we shall see what happens in IX. :)
     
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    I'm expecting something to become of this scene - even there is only an element or two that remain the same.

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    Rey or Kylo behind the saber or in front for a Heroic Sacrifice maybe?
    Or perhaps Rey's vision is from a grounded KOR as Ben battles The Knights?

    For all we know the title "Master of the Knights of Ren" might have been gained from Kylo besting all of them in mortal combat in times past.
     
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    Reading this made me think that something like Episode IX: Return of the Ren could be a viable title:

    to simultaneously signify the return of the Knights of Ren, as well as Kylo Ren (now as Supreme Leader), as well as Ben Solo returning to the Light.

    Even further, it could further be made to mean the return of Luke's surviving students (former KOR) to the Light, if the storytellers opt to go that route.
    --- Double Post Merged, Jan 19, 2018, Original Post Date: Jan 19, 2018 ---

    This is some important recent info right from Rian via SWNN:

    “I guess I could've used them in place of the Praetorian guards but then it would feel like wasting them because all those guards had to die."

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    https://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/201...e-of-the-knights-of-ren-in-the-last-jedi.html
     
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    maybe this is the finally redemption or Kylo. I always thought when we see the person get stabbed by Kylo that they were a knight trying to kill Rey...and then the knights all stood there before her. However they were never in a position to attack (I don’t think)

    Or

    Kylo and Rey come together some how and Kylo brings knights from the dark and Rey ordinary people from the light (force sensative)

    And through a common goal (overthrowing the first order) their differences actually make them powerful allies and a new order is born from the knowledge of the light and dark?

    And they won’t all be Jedi because when w saw KoR only Kylo had light saber. Same for Rey. So I am not thinking a major showdown like the arena battle in AotC
     
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    I thought this ↑ was going to be how BRen would pitch his Rule Together appeal once I saw it coming.
    I was a little surprised with his commitment to the FO. I was expecting him to include them in his "let old things die" section along with the Sith, Jedi and Rebels.

    I guess after Hux's speech in TFA I saw Armitage as the champion FO ideologue and Kylo just as an auxiliary of Snoke's - a Force apprentice on the side (along with the KOR) who saw the FO as a means rather than an ends.

    It seems I may have been wrong and Kylo's allegiance to their mythos (and Snokes?) of a new order is strong.
     
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    I think there is a reasonable chance we see the KOR in IX. Rian definitely left it open for them to come back. He has come out and said they are not the Praetorian guards. He left it open that the Jedi students that left with Ben could be the KOR. With JJ coming back there is a better chance than if there was someone new directing. That being said I don’t think we are going to see the rain scene in the Forceback in IX. I don’t think that was meant to be in the future. I think Rey saw that scene but was not actually in that scene. I believe the only scene that was meant to be in the future was the Kylo on Starkiller scene. Of course JJ could retcon it and now make it a shot of the future as the Forceback is very ambiguous. However, I don’t think the KOR Forceback scene needs any exposition. It shows us the KOR who we hear mentioned by Snoke. That is enough. I hope to see more of KOR. I wasn’t expecting them in TLJ. However, with JJ back I think there is a chance we see them again.
     
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    I've consider this, and have very little doubt that he'll surround himself with the KOR in IX as his personal mercenaries. Now that he's killed the Pratorian Guards, he's going to need some of his own, and what better choice...someone that has already voted him as their leader.
     
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    Wouldn't it be waste of a great chance to create Kor characters and just show them in one scene of the whole trilogy ?? If they are not in episode IX they should make an spinoff with them..
     
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    Luke mentioning that Kylo took a handful of his old students in TLJ is too juicy of a thread for JJ not to follow in Episode IX especially with a mention of the Knights of Ren in TFA.
     
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    This keeps me wondering. The KOR were already present before Kylo joined them. So if Ben took a handful of his fellow students after the Jedi temple massacre, does this mean the already existing KOR accepted all the Jedi students or did Kylo found his own group and the KOR joined him?
     
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    Yeah, I think it would be waste if they didn't follow through with Rey's Force vision with that rain shot.
     
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    Or Ben & the remaining students basically took over The KOR & Ben turned them into his own personal cult that is completely separate from the FO.
     
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    I think that’s it. RJ was so busy being clever and subverting expectations (because “being at all consistent with the characters and previous movies” wasn’t clever enough?) he couldn’t “find a place for them.”

    That fake story about Luke fighting the KOR really pissed me off. Correct me if I’m wrong but that was fake story intentionally leaked to throw people off the trail (which very close to the premiere was finally revealed to be a ruse....since more and more people were seeing the film and were able to get word to MSW that the fight on the island wasn’t in the film).

    I’ve read a few times that Pablo “cryptic comments to show he knows more than fans” Hidalgo said that the Forceback scene woth KOR was maybe in the future.

    JJ’s history with Lost & TFA, as well as his public comments/excuses establish he likes asking questions more than answering them (guess which one takes a lot more talent and work?). That said, KOR is something that is easy to bring into EIX (for those who ask where they’ve been, it’s a big galaxy. Six dudes in black can be on one ship flying around looking for Force sensitives to recruit or kill, looking for Luke’s hiding place, looking for the first Jedi Temple (nothing in TFA or TLJ gives any indication that Snoke or his underlings knew that Luke had found the temple), looking for more Kiber (sp?) crystals, etc. One good line of dialogue is more than enough to bring them back and explain their absence.

    JJ does like the KOR (of course he does, they were introduced in HIS movie, in HIS cryptic dream sequence, and HIS new movie would benefit from their full introduction).

    EIX needs a new threat, because the FO has no one but Hux & KR, and HUX is a flag officer and will be the butt of many jokes. They could bring back Phasma, but no one will take that character seriously. She’s Kenny from southpark if she returns for EIX.

    The KOR on the other hand are blank slates that can be threatening and be killed off in a cool way by maREY sue.

    EIX needs them, JJ wants to use them, and there’s one other reason to expect them: toys. You know Hasbro and Lucasfilm want to sell 3.75”, 6”, 12”, plus 3.75” regular figures of them in Target or SWC exclusives or whatever. Every SW movie has to have new marketable heroes and villains.KOR are already established, so they just need to replicate original costumes.

    As for KR wearing his mask with KOR in TFA, that’s no biggie. KR is in charge now. I have no doubt they could bring back his mask. Snoke goaded him into destroying it. He might have another one made just because he liked it. “Let the past die?” JJ doesn’t know how. And like others have said, he didn’t wear the mask in the woods but did in the Forceback version of the woods.


    It would be a huge waste to not use the KOR in EIX. That doesn’t mean they will appear, but JJ is more about using what was popular rather than being clever (he always thinks he’s clever, even though he’s mostly a xerox machine with a perm). With that being the case, the toy angle, plus the fact that the KOR can be used as cannon fodder for JJ’s maREY sue or her pupils or B.B.-8 or whatever, I strongly suspect we see them in EIX, and of course on Forcw Friday 3....
     
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    KOR is the only thing that would make me interested in seeing episode IX. The rest of the characters except for Ben is absolutely boring for me. Finn was great in TFA but in TLJ he was simply boring. And Rose my god no reason for her casting at all. We already had enough characters and they add some pointless character. :rolleyes:

    KOR and Ben and i will go see it. Otherwise my money stays in my pocket.
     
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    The Knights of Ren WERE Luke's students... and I think they were likely what he was re-branding the Jedi to be.

    A long time ago, when we were all trying to figure out what these names meant, I read somewhere that "Ren" means "rebirth." During TLJ, Luke knew the Jedi must end... But before Ben Solo turned against him, perhaps he thought the Jedi needed "rebirth" as the "Knights of Ren," the rebirth of the Jedi as something new... and different. Kylo is the "Master of the Knights of Ren" because he killed some of Luke's students, but he also took some of them with him. Six, to be exact. This is what is left of the Knights of Ren. Luke felt that through Ben Solo, he failed to give (re-) birth to the "New Jedi," lost his Knights of Ren, and so he came to believe that it was time for the Jedi, in any form, to end.

    At least that is what I am holding out hope for.

    In the alternative, I want them to somehow be associated with the Acolytes of the Beyond, who worshiped Vader. I will settle for that. Either way, we need more Knights of Ren in Episode IX... and beyond.
     
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    So it means Knights of ren is still alive ;);)..
     
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    Can't say JJ will use the KOR again in 9, but it would be great to bring them back. They were really interesting and it's unfortunate that they weren't used in 8, but I think there may be a lot of retconning in, but I could be wrong.
     
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