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The Knights of Ren in Ep IX

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by CnlSandersdeKFC, Dec 19, 2017.

  1. BobRoss

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    I really hope that JJ follows the rule of Chekhov's gun that Rian ignored so avidly for the sake of subversion.

    "Remove everything that has no relevance to the story. If you say in the first chapter that there is a rifle hanging on the wall, in the second or third chapter it absolutely must go off. If it's not going to be fired, it shouldn't be hanging there."

    This goes for the Knights of Ren, Rey's parents leaving Jakku, Anakin's lightsaber calling out to Rey and imo Snoke.
     
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  2. master_shaitan

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    This is a trilogy.
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  3. Andrew Waples

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    I'm not sure, but is this a trilogy?:p
     
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  4. master_shaitan

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  5. BobRoss

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    They are making things up on the fly.
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    Also: which part of I HOPE that JJ follows the rule of Checkhov's gun... didn't you understand?
     
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    We saw a space going up from Niima Outpost. We did not see a ship leaving Jakku.
     
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    There is definitely an outline for this trilogy. But how to reach those plot points is up to the directors and/or writers of each episode. Btw George Lucas pretty much made things up on the fly too. Especially the PT.
     
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    C'mon dude, don't act as if this scene doesn't impley they are leaving Jakku. If JJ had planned this scene to show how her parents abandoned Rey while staying on Jakku then we would see some silhouettes walk off into a sunset or a landspeeder driving off into the desert. You know what the scene imnplied back when TFA was released...
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    If you use the PT to defend the ST you have really lowered your standards when it comes to the sequels. Oh and please tell why you know that there is an outline because I can show you multiple interviews where RJ and JJ state that there isn't.

    https://www.flickeringmyth.com/2017...wars-sequel-trilogy-defends-last-jedi-humour/

    But I was truly able to write this script without bases to tag, and without a big outline on the wall. -Rian Johnson, Dec 2017
     
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    Don't act like the scene implies they're leaving the planet. That shot was done in post production. Most of post production occurred after RJ's story was done. JJ knew RJ's answer when they were filming. Pablo Hidalgo has also mentioned that there's no implications that they're leaving the planet.
     
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    Logically I would agree, but I do think that as someone else pointed out, the "cinematic language" that this scene portrays pretty clearly implies that they are leaving the planet.

    Of course, it's easy enough to explain that away as yet another "subversion", too.
     
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    Even if they did leave the planet, it doesn't mean they didn't end up back there. I just don't get all this "it's being made up on the fly" nonsense. It's being tackled in the exact same way as the OT was. There is a basic storyline and then each director writes the best story they can for their film. Some things evolve. Others do not.

    As you say, RJ wrote TLJ during the shooting of TFA. It has been stated that his script changed very little. JJ was aware of what RJ's story was before he completed TFA and yet he didn't see the need to say "you can't do that" or "that doesn't make sense".

    This is just the toxic conspiratorial nonsense that has formed within the hate groups, to attempt to justify their disappointment at not seeing the exact story they thought up.
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    It just meant they're leaving her and going far away, IMO. Out of reach. It's not like they could've just walked off into the desert. There is nothing there and they wouldn't get far. They had to leave in a ship and the narrative itself is that Rey, and us by extension, cannot know where they went. The idea that they went into hyperspace is just the hangover from the theories concocted about who they were. The film didn't show the ship go into hyperspace therefore RJ had the room to invent whatever he wanted.
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    The bit where you continued to say : "...that Rian ignored". Implying that Rian threw out the set ups just to subvert us. He didn't. He wrote the best story he could for his film but also knew it was part of a trilogy and there would be another film to answer some more of the questions JJ raised in TFA.
     
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    Eh, I respectfully disagree.

    Like I said, there's no reason that they couldn't have stayed on the planet, but in a series where space travel is extremely common, seeing a ship pretty much rise directly up does communicate that it's likely they're leaving the planet.

    It's like if a scene cut away as a character is walking toward a room. It's possible that the character might stop before he goes into the room, or turn around and walk away from the room. Heck, that's easy as pie to do.

    But since we last see him going toward the room, we can only assume his trajectory continues toward it, instead. That's all I'm saying- what we were shown on film didn't quite mesh with the story we eventually got (and honestly, it's a relatively minor complaint, all things considered).
     
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    The question is "do we know with 100 percent certainty they left the planet?" The answer is 100% no.
     
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    Yeah, I mean that's one semantic way of looking at it, I guess.

    But it's also not really at all what I'm saying, either.
     
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    Again, this needs to be thought through more thoroughly.
    JJ didn't want us to see her parents in TFA. There needed to be a question mark over who they were. Not in my view because they were Skywalker's or anything - but because Rey was in the dark about them. And as we see with RJ's film, that played out - had we and her seen them in TFA then we would've had a clear picture of who they were and why they left.

    So, we couldn't see them in the flesh and we had to see them leave "for good" or go far away in a brief, vague, vision. That's why the ship leaving visual works. And it also indicates that more has gone into the planning of Rey's journey than people make out.

    Everything works perfectly for her journey from being a an abandoned nobody on Jakku to a Jedi hero in TLJ. Her journey was first about waiting for her folks and then accepting they are dead. The next step was confronting who they were and how they felt about her. JJ and RJ's stories align perfectly in that regard.

    We see a ship leave in a vague vision (that was by JJ's admission, not some fully thought out story but a collection of images that came to him and he wanted to put across). We aren't told where the ship goes. We, being classic Star Wars nerds made up our own stories. "It went to the Unknown Regions!". "It was Luke's ship!". Sorry, but these were just fan theories. Nothing stated the ship had to go into hyperspace -ergo there is no contradiction in RJ's story continuing from TFA.
     
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    Right, I totally agree with that.

    Again, I've got nothing wrong with "Rey Nobody" or anything related to the final outcomes from that scene.

    And I also agree that the visuals from that scene are likely meant to imply that the parents left for a permanent or semi-permanent time.

    Just saying that the implication that they left the planet is pretty strong. Obviously, we have strong reason to believe that is not the case now, of course. But even as easy as it is to say "See, of course they never left Jakku" is now, before watching TLJ it's no surprise that most people tended to interpret the visual language of that scene as them leaving the planet.
     
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    Yeah, I think we're splitting hairs on this. Sure, a ship flying into the sky in Star Wars likely means it leaves the planet. The point is that there isn't a contradiction as the poster above (somewhere) implies. Like I say, perhaps it left the planet and they came back one day and then died? It's a non issue for me but I just take exception to the implication (not from you) that the story didn't flow from TFA to TLJ in regards to Rey's parents.
     
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    Agreed. The only reason he had the mask on during Rey's vision is that he hadn't taken off his mask in the storyline yet, so.
     
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    Is there any talk of casting that could sound like the knights of ren ???
     
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    No. Anything as far as casting rumors should be considered as clickbait till further Lucasfilm says otherwise.
     
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