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The Last Jedi - General Movie Discussion

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by DarthSnow, Sep 18, 2019.

  1. DarthSnow

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    I was playing my own "what if" game and started thinking about this, and I don't know if I've seen it mentioned before but...

    If Poe doesn't disobey Leia's orders and the Dreadnaught lives on to fight another day, after the FO fleet tracks the Resistance through hyperspace does it destroy them then and there? No space chase?

    For whatever reason the Supremacy didn't have the range to take them out, but apparently that was the specialty of the Dreadnaught, right? So Poe didn't know it at the time, but he saved the entire Resistance by defying Leia's orders.
     
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    Hindsight is often 20/20. It is one of those “what if” questions, and it probably is the case. A possible counter point I often wonder is: how long did it take to establish that hyperspace tracker? If Poe retreated when he was supposed to, could they have slipped away before a lock was made? We don’t know, but it’s something I wonder.

    Cause, for example, in Rebels, the Grand Inquisitor has to attach a tracker to track the Ghost through hyperspace. Same with Obi-wan attaching a tracker to Jango’s ship before departure. This seems to be a signal tracker without an actual tracking piece attached, so they would’ve had to lock on some sort of signal, but how long would that take depending on the signal needed?


    ahh, the joys of the Netflix deal. Infinity War and some other Marvel films are in a similar situation since they were on Netflix up through the Disney+ release.
     
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    Even when disobeying orders and things work out that doesnt mean that it was right to disobey orders. Also the Dreadnaught's specialty was a massive energy blast. We dont know at what distances it works. Generally with larger energy blasts they are for shorter range, but we dont know one way or another.

    Also I still disagree we did not have a space chase. New Order siege the castle and is waiting out the castle running out of resources. Classic movie and history story with the only difference is the castle is moving.
     
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    I think the ships were at different distances, and either way, fighting off the First Order on the way to or being at Crait with the accompaniment of a bomber fleet and/or just number of personnel would have been a better situation. Just having one more starfighter that could have been sent into hyperspace for help would have changed things for the better instead of a last ditch signal. Poe costs the Resistance a lot of lives and equipment with his stunt.
     
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    Maybe if they didn’t loose all their bombers, they could have used them to destroy the First Oder walkers on Crait to buy enough time for Rey to arrive and Luke would still be alive, so Poe killed Luke.

    (at-at)(kylo ren)(luke)
     
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    Ok then my thoughts on the Dreadnaught it was I believe mainly design as a ground bombardment vessel ( Which is what it was used for at the start of the film) so it wouldn’t have a problem with the range but targeting a moving target may be more problematic then a conventional SD.
     
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    They started targeting the Raddus immediately after destroying the base, though. And Poe referred to the ship as a "fleet killer" so I'd say it's still plenty viable in taking out larger ships.

    That's a really good point, and one I hadn't ever considered. Good thinking!

    True, true... Poe was dealt some pretty heavy leadership lessons all around. As for the range, I'm assuming that if it can target a base planetside while the ship is still in space, it shouldn't have had any issue in the ensuing siege (I agree; better term for it than "chase" !)

    I don't think we even get to Crait, though, if the Dreadnaught survives the battle above D'Qar. As soon as Leia gives the order to "full speed ahead, get out of range of the star destroyers" then Canady just laughs and fires away.

    Either way you all make very good points, thanks for the insight and replies!
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    Absolutely but at that time the Raddus was stationary & so a easy target.
    Of course they should have taken the ships out first then.the base which was by this point empty but hey that FO arrogance for you plus it would have made it s very short film from the Resistance POV although it would have been interesting to see what Rey, Chewbacca, Luke & a bunch of pilots with no command structure would have done against the FO.
     
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    Lets also be clear we dont have tape rule to measure the distance between the dreadnaught and the base and the distance from the Raddus and the FO fleet after they came out of hyperspace.
     
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    Or top speed.

    Like...why didn't the Death Star just come out of hyperspace right in front of the Rebel Base, lol???? Childhood ruuuuuinnnnnnnnned!!!!
     
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    Why didnt the Death Star just destroy Yavin. The destruction of Yavin would have also destroyed the base on the moon.
     
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    That's very easy because...SHUT UP....TALK ABOUT BABYODA! - Direct quote from LFL
     
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    Ironic since poes are spirits
    Haha it’s funny.Disney: We can’t offer our own movie on + because we sold exlusive rights to Netflix tell late Dec. :D
     
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    Question for anyone out there in the know. Did Luke die because of his massive force-life energy expenditure and he was just totally spent or did he will himself to death after having completed what he wanted to be his last act?
     
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    I think between the comic adaptation, novelization, and general speculation there were a few theories. Most end up tied to his reconnection to the Force. One was just the sheer influx of the Force connection overwhelming him in the end. I think Hamill’s description of that was like being hit with something after a withdrawal.

    An alternate is that he overexerted himself. Depending on what one is doing with the Force, it seems to take a lot of focus and cause exhaustion (notable examples, Yoda’s concentration when stopping the debris from hitting Obi-wan and Anakin in AotC, and when he lifted the X-wing, he needed to concentrate a bit more and..I think he said he needed to rest? Don’t quote me on that, I’m due for a rewatch). I think Luke’s feat was only possible between Luke’s own power and the nature of Ahch-to. Even with that, it the shots back to him on the cliff seemed to show him concentrating, maybe straining a bit. With that, and how he just collapses and takes a bit to get up after, it must’ve taken a lot out of him.

    I thought one of the adaptations indicated that he also heard a voice saying to let go. Something that can go with either is perhaps, like Yoda and Obi-wan, at that point he figured his time had come, and just let go. I wouldn’t say he willed himself to death, but he definitely didn’t try to fight to stay alive to do more. Part of the Jedi is also accepting Death as natural, a joining to the Force, so when the time comes, they try to just let go. Not fun, but that seems to be the belief.

    Apologies that this went on longer. We don’t really have a concrete answer in the film, and that’s how my brain likes to lay things out. Any of those can work. Personally, I subscribe to exhaustion from the feat, and then knowing his time had come and letting go.
     
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    It isnt just TLJ. This affects many Disney properties. Did a quick scan
    Christopher Robbin Sept 5 2020
    Mary Poppins Returns Jan 9, 2021
    The Jungle Book May 30, 2021

    Aladdin and Lion King dont even show up when you search.
     
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    Probably both, maybe.
     
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    Intriguing question. Luke says, “why did you think I choose the most remote place in the galaxy? I came here to die.” (TLJ). So to me his plan all along was to perish, but the twist is he got to become the legend he despises (just ask Broom Boy and his Cato Bight friends).
     
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    I loved how strong Luke is in this one. Grew a bit more of an appreciation for Rey as well.
     
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