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The Last Jedi - General Movie Discussion

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by DarthSnow, Sep 18, 2019.

  1. delph

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    Can someone explain me how the light speed works in TLJ? I didn't know that it was possible to crash against another spaceship, including a star destroyer. Usually at light speed you should enter in another dimension.
     
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    Correct. Although, does Luke contact Leia? I don't remember that (but then again, my brain is poodoo, so...).

    Han Solo (ANH Act 1): "Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it?"

    It seems to have something to do with hypertravel, mass, and gravity. The Interdictor Class Star Destroyers can jank ships out of hyperspace by creating gravity bubbles along hyperlanes, so there is defintielly interaction between real space and hyperspace. Exactly how the Hondo maneuver works is not detailed, but we do know it's a one-in-a-million trick (possibly because you have to hit your target at the exact right movement when you're crossing over into hyperspace, but that's just a guess on my part).

    Basically, it is only a problem if you want to make it one.
     
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    Yes, he actually does.

    Leia: "Luke."
    Luke: "Leia..."
     
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    Colliding with other objects in hyperspace is a risk, as Han explained in the first movie. The chances might me small but the effect would be catastrophic to the ship travelling in hyperspace.

    The collision in TLJ actually occurs at the point where the Raddus would be entering hyperspace, when it's travelling at its fastest in "real" space. It's because of this the effect on the Supremacy and the FO fleet nearby was so massive. Also helped by the arrogance of FO high command making no attempts to prevent a collision as they were so focussed on wiping out the resistance transports they assumed the Raddus to be trying to distract them from their task by appearing to make an escape.
     
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    May I also enquire how moon-sized battle stations are able to orbit planets without causing them massive gravitational, tectonic and ocean tidal damage?
    A super laser as well seems like overkill.
     
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    You may.
     
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    I like that sequence. It's something very deep and I appreciate that.

    Another thing that I didn't understand is how Leia survived in the space. She would have been dead, no matter about The Force. But it is since ROTS that this question remains unanswered. If you remember, at the beginning of ep 3, Anakin and Obi Wan are facing Grievous on the battleship at the beginning of the movie. The robot smashes a window and the two jedis are almost dragged outside the spaceship. They should be dead. With Leia is the same thing, also even worse. Lack of oxygen, no atmosphere and low temperature would have killed her instantly. Moreover, we see Leia coming back into the ship. When the door opens, everybody should be dragged out.
     
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    When astronauts go on space walks, why doesn't all the stuff and other people in the ISS get sucked out?
    You don't actually die instantly in space. You'd actually live for up to a minute. Longer if you have magical space powers.


    It's a fiction movie about space wizards and you're upset they had a magical power keep her alive briefly in space that feels mighty odd.
     
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    Sorry, but that's not true. A human can survive in space for a short amount of time, roughly 90 seconds, without any form of protection. I looked into it after watching Guardians of the Galaxy 1 for the first time. As for them being dragged into space when getting her back onto the ship, yeah they should have lost pressure and atmosphere the moment that door opened (like we see happen in RotS).
     
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    watch the scene again. There are two sets of doors. She flied through one set. There's pressurization then the other doors open. It's called an airlock. A window breaking is different that a system designed to prevent rapid pressure changes like that.
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    Leia coming in, the first set of doors.

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    Leia moving inside the first set of doors.

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    Establishing shot of the second set of doors.

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    Indication of pressurizing the room between two doors.
     
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    I watched the scene too. First of all there should not be an airlock between the bridge and the other area of the spaceship. An airlock should be located close to an exit. Second, the first door is not closing after Leia but remains open. In fact we don't see any pressurization as the second door opens immediately.
     
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    Lol. Okay. I'm done. You're just being difficult for no reason now. The reason is right there. If you don't accept it to be difficult, you don't. Whatever.
     
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    You don't get sucked out into space. You get blown out, as space is a vacuum with zero air pressure while a ship/station interior has an atmospheric air pressure higher than the exterior. Similar to a slow puncture in a tyre, or a water leaking from a holed bucket.
     
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    I've never really understood the selective science gripe, while something like that is attempted to be compared to real science and complained about but yet, spaceships making atmospheric moves in space, ships making noise in space, lasers make sounds, etc. are ok!!!! Its a fiction/fantasy movie, I don't feel you can base complaints on real science.. if so there would be no laser swords.
     
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    Exactly. It's a fantasy film. The complaints are just people looking for something to complain about.

    I've been thinking a lot about Luke's line to Rey before she runs off to confront Ren. "That it wasn't going to go the way she though it was going to go."

    I never understood what he was getting at until just now. Luke realized that Ben was still steaming mad about what happened to him as a child (for right reasons) and there is no way on earth he's going 'to turn'. Especially in such a short period of time. Of course Rey being naive and idealistic and a little desperate doesn't listen. And Luke didn't fully explain why she shouldn't go. And then the events unfolded as they did. Tragically of course, but it did force Rey to face some inconvenient truths to become who she needed to be or was deep inside.
     
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    That first photograph is fantastic. Not that others are bad, but there is something special about Mark/Luke being reunited with his old friend after so many years.
     
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    ...fire when ready? :p

    I was going through some TLJ gifs earlier and I was reminded how visually stunning this movie is. In terms of cinematography, it’s the best Star Wars movie in my opinion.

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    Hey guys, I'm back with my yearly re-assessment of my feelings about TLJ.

    I keep going back and forth on this movie, but I just might have finally nailed down what I think about it:

    TLJ is a gorgeous, well-written, well-acted, well-crafted Star Wars movie. If it was a standalone Star Wars film, it would be top three for me.

    But it drops the ball as the middle film of a trilogy.

    Good storytelling wraps up complications in a way that introduces more complications, until the end when everything is wrapped up for good. There's another JJ Abrams "mystery box" property that did this really well: the show Fringe. Each season answered tons of questions, but it answered them in ways that created even more question and kept you coming back.

    In The Last Jedi, Johnson answers the questions of TFA, but his answers don't raise new complications.

    Who is Rey? Nobody. You could argue that this leads to personal complications, but we don't see any evidence of this. By all indications, Rey is perfectly fine by the end of the film.

    What about Snoke? His death could have been a catalyst for more complications, but it just isn't. Kylo messes with the idea of leaving behind the Empire and the Sith, but ultimately his actions proceed as if nothing changed. His character's course goes on as if Snoke never existed.

    There's psychological movement within the film, but there's no plot movement that propels us into the next film. The status quo is pretty much identical to the end of TFA, except the stakes are nominally more desperate and all the questions have been answered. It's not like the end of Empire, where we need to know how they save Han, where we need to know if Luke is really Vader's son, and how that affects their relationship. Or even Attack of the Clones, where we're on the precipice of an entire war and Anakin is heading the the dark side. There's just nothing at the end of TLJ propelling us forward.

    If the next film was simply, "Rey kills Kylo," all the plot threads and conflicts from TLJ would be wrapped up.

    I think that's one reason why TROS felt so rushed. It had to introduce complications from scratch because there were none left.

    I really love most of the stuff in TLJ. I love Luke's journey, I love the emotional arc between Kylo and Rey, I love the space battles and the long chase. But as a middle chapter, it doesn't do its work.


     
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