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The Last Jedi: Rian Johnson Changed Kylo Rens TIE Silencer After Seeing One of the Toys

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by SWNN Probe, Feb 16, 2018.

  1. SWNN Probe

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    Don't ever accuse Rian Johnson of not paying attention to detail. Mid-way through production of The Last Jedi, Johnson was given a toy of Kylo Ren's TIE Silencer and he noticed that it had a design error which would disrupt the continuity of the original design that was in the film, so he decided to make a change!





    Knowing the toys were already manufactured, and probably appreciating and respecting the attention kids and toy collectors pay to detail, Rian Johnson actually changed the movie to match the toy!



    At the VFX (Visual Effects) Festival in East London last week, the VFX Supervisor for Industrial Light and Magic (ILM) Mike Mulholland explained the rather humorous situation:
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    The only time we see the TIE Silencer is in the beginning of the film, on the attack of the Resistance ship, when Ren has that moment with Leia which causes him to hesitate from firing upon her ship.



    In addition to this loyal attention to detail and respecting the toys, Johnson also wanted to implement and old school approach to creating space battles, wanting to create them using actual models versus computer generated ships. It turns out the cost and know-how was no longer a reality though according to Mulholland:

    I know how big of a deal Star Wars toys have been for decades, but this takes it to a new level! J.J. Abrams better keep his eye on the upcoming toy lines as he begins production on Episode IX this summer!



    SOURCE: Radio Times



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    They did a really good job with this ship. I actually like toy manufacturers idea. Looks pretty slick.
     
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    hmmm, even the the Kylo toys were more important than the film and RJ put more thought into them than Finn and Rose' s story line. Thanks Rian. :rolleyes:
     
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    Good on RJ.
     
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    Interesting tidbit. Good guy Rian - making it easier for Hasbro. ;) Not a big deal from a bigger perspective. It's pretty cool that he considered it, I could see another director not caring at all.

    Btw. I like the quick shot of the missile barrel (?) popping out. Looked like some kind of Batmobile tech. It also looked like a practical effect. Not sure if it was, probably not.
     
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    Nice
     
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    Thats alright. I appreciate that from RJ.

    I don't appreciate him moving Kylo Ren's scar for "cool" purposes.

    On watching the new Sequel trilogy from TFA to TLJ, a simple detail like that will pull me out of the movie. It was so intentional and such a big detail to just "change".
     
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    This isn't a big detail. 99% of the audience has no idea about the exact location of the scar. I wouldn't even have known it was moved unless some person on the internet asked RJ about it. If this pulls you out of the film or if you think it's a big detail then it's on you, not the filmmaker.
     
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    Love to know where you got the 99% from because I seriously doubt it is a scientific number or backed up by a survey or whatnot. Also it was consitent attention to detail and re-edits for continuity that gave Episodes 1-6 continuity. George and his team looked as carefully as they could to follow those details. It is an inherently different Directors approach to willingly destroy continuity based on the grounds of "cool" for fans.

    It also is a big detail, not only to me, but other fans. It was a change made to something we always look at, the face. It's detail that gives a polish a glimmer. I take issue you saying this is on me, it is the Director's job to sell a product that draws you away to a scifi fantasy and in this case it was a intentional deviation which disservices all fans.
     
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    Yep it was great that he spotted the final detail.
     
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    This thread is a microcosm of everything that is wrong with Disney.

    I have no problem with taking a movie and making merchandise off that movie. However, what I do have a problem with is making creative/production decisions to conform with selling the most toys. Disney has taken this franchise to a whole new stratosphere in that regard.
     
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    "- So....I've been thinking....maybe Rose's line for this scene is not exactly appropriate given the

    - WHO CARES MAN?? THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH ONE OF KYLO'S TOYS, EVERYONE GET ON IT!!!"

    hahaha

    (Regardless, I like the Finn/Rose subplot)
     
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    Meh, for all we know, maybe RJ just liked the design more and felt inspired by it. It is a pretty cool design, kinda reminds me of a Vulture Droid.

    Anyway... I think with the focus on the Hasbro toy, the more interesting story got buried:

    Good on Rian for wanting to use more practical effects, but I think the implication here is slightly more troubling.

    Still, Rogue One had (in my opinion) the best looking space battle in the series (and perhaps in any series) and I can only assume that was used with a similar method. No need to go Chicken Little yet.
     
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    I agree... the TIE Silencer looks pretty cool.
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    Could it be an advanced version of the TIE/sk x1??? The fighter that made an appearance in Rogue One?
     
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    Not really... If the inclusion of models would truly make the space combat scenes better and it was a viable option in terms of the budget and timing, they would have chosen it. They still make real-life models of spaceships they use in films, but the technology involved in VFX is so advanced that there's no real gain in using real models instead of CG ones.
     
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