The Last Jedi = The end of the Jedi Order

Here's why that will not happen. It's called storytelling 101.

The Force Awakens is about finding the last Jedi. Why is everyone searching for the last Jedi?

“Without the Jedi, there can be no balance to the Force.” - Lor San Tekka
"If Skywalker returns, the new Jedi will rise" - Snoke

If the plan was to end the Jedi in this trilogy the writers wouldn't be planting the seeds for a new generation of Jedi. Typically the fears of the villain are realized. This whole "grey area" thing is fun to talk about, but the Jedi aren't going to die. They're not going to be a grey Jedi. Luke is going to train Rey to become a Jedi.

 

But...there is no Jedi order to end

 

"I am a Jedi like my father before me."

That would be the moment Luke became a jedi, a part of their tradition and the Last Jedi.

 

but no order like i said

 

Is this like a gaggle of geese or a murder of crows? How many Jedi are required to be considered an order of Jedi?

 

I'm guessing more than one

 

But they did theoretically dispose of the Sith no?

 

Apparently so as we've been told that Snoke and Kylo are not Sith. What that means for the Jedi... we'll see. 10 months to go!

 

Um yes. A part of the order. Otherwise he's not a Jedi. There are no Jedi outside of the order. Force users sure. But if you claim Jedi you claim the order. You can't be the last unless you are apart.

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You don't have to buy into prequel era code. He learned from Yoda and Obi who had 20 years to rethink things.

 

yoda and obi-wan...who were rpequel jedi

 

Luke still follows the prequel era code. Lucas has said many times in interviews Jedi are not celibate by law. They can have sex, only attachment such as obsession is outlawed. Anakin was obsessed with Padme.

The only thing that has changed with Luke is Jedi are now once again seperate from politics. That was a partnership deal anyway, had nothing to do with the code. The Jedi serve the senate within reason, and in return they get funding, resources etc.

 

even ob-wan said so...in the prewuels

 

And Padme was obsessed with Anakin. The Jedi Council was obsessed with the Order. Luke was obsessively attached to Leia and Han. Leia and Chewbacca were obsessed with Han. Han was obsessed with Luke, Chewie and especially Leia. There was a lot of obsessing going on in the saga.

 

great thread @Darth Chewie. I've had some Jedi thought's swirling around the dysfunctional centrifuge that sits on my shoulders, and i think this is a good place to park them..

What exactly is a Jedi? what is the Jedi Order, and how does one become a Jedi?

The confusion for me centers around what happens to Anakin when he first kneels in front of the emperor. There is a physical change in his eyes, and you can just tell... he has just become a sith.

What do we know about becoming a Jedi? train as a youngling at an academy, become a padawan to a Jedi master and throw in a couple of trials and a lightsaber construction and boom.. here's your certificate. It's almost like we could do with the glow effect that was around our characters in kotor that showed how light sided or dark sided our character was... there's nothing to indicate a Jedi knight other than a cheap looking robe.

i probably sound off-topic, and i am.. almost.

while there are beings that are strong in the force... can there actually be a last Jedi? If one was strong enough with the force and had access to Jedi archives that detailed what was involved in being a knight of the Jedi Order, could you not train yourself to be a Jedi?

A Jedi is a highly trained and highly disciplined version of the person that started the Jedi training, but do you have to have a Jedi to become a Jedi?


I don't think there can ever be an end to the Jedi as an order, as long as there is the force. At some point in the past.. there was no Jedi Order and strong force sensitives clearly came up with the idea. So that can happen again.. yes?
Luke obviously is the last 'living' Jedi (unless Snoke is one of course)

 

A Jedi is some who practices:

Non-attachment, complete selflessness, discipline and devotion to the will of the Force.

 

so is being the last Jedi a big deal?

The sith were thought to be extinct during the prequels.. and yet they popped up out of the woodwork.

whether Luke lives or dies, or whether or not he trains anyone.. surely there can be Jedi again?

 

Yes, but not without the knowledge of the Jedi - in terms of how to connect with the Force and what to do with it.
The galaxy has been without the Jedi for a long time. And the Empire destroyed their archives and their temples.
Luke is the only being that is still walking the path of the Jedi.
Could someone else come along in the future, a force sensitive person, discover Jedi teachings and re-start the order?
Sure. But the point is that right now, Luke is the last Jedi.
He has the knowledge and he is walking the path of the Jedi. And he needs to pass that on.

Remember, Mace Windu does say "I do not believe the Sith could return without us knowing.
This of course implies that the Sith could've returned even after the last Sith was killed a thousand years prior. (Mace just arrogantly thinks the Jedi would sense it but of course doesn't realise that the Sith have adapted).

The other point is that if the Jedi dies with Luke now (even though someone else could potentially start them again) then those that follow the Dark Side will take over and likely make it extremely difficult for the Jedi to actually return.

 

Not really. If Luke and Rey do not increase the number of Jedi, then the Jedi Order would disappear completely. The Sith were in hiding during the prequel era, but they were still there. Even though the Sith consisted of only two members at one time, the Sith Orde was an existing organization. However, at the end of RotJ, when Palpatine died and Vader became Anakin the Sith Order was destroyed, because it had no members. A similar thing could happen with the Jedi.

However, what would happen if there was a Dark Side user that would find old Sith teaching and created a new Sith Order? Although these two groups would share the same name and principles, they would essentially be two different organizations. Think of it like of Israel. Although both the modern-day and ancient Israel share the same main religion and more-or-less teritory, they are essentially two different states.