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OFFICIAL NEWS The Last Jedi

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by JeffG., Jan 23, 2017.

  1. Lord Denton

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    I'm not sure I agree with this personally, as it doesn't really represent balance.
    We've had examples of Jedi or lightsiders who are not entirely noble and pure, and we've even had examples of Sith or darksiders that are not wholly evil.
    We've had examples of characters who embrace this yin-yang concept and inhabit the grey middle, such as Qui-Gon, Ahsoka, and the Bendu.
    We've seen the Sith destroy the Jedi in the Prequels, and we've seen the Jedi destroy the Sith in the Originals, but I personally think in the Sequels we'll see that balance is only achieved through unity and peace.
     
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    Qui Gon wasn't in the middle. He was simply a more enlightened Jedi whose example Yoda learned from. He was compassionate and selfless but also more in tune with the living force than most: this enabled him to achieve greatness as a Jedi which Yoda acknowledged.

    "The grey" is not a space to occupy but one to figure out. The Jedi's role is to decide what is right and what is wrong. Something that only they can learn because only they are calm and passive. Only the Jedi can bring balance because they listen to the Force. The Sith just seek to control it.
     
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    Ben will never be a Jedi after what he has done. And if Luke dies in this movie, Rey cannot become a Jedi within a few days, so it has to be Luke. And if Luke dies in this movie, the Jedi will die with him. So I hope Luke makes it into IX to finish Rey's training and that we have more than 1 Jedi at the end of the trilogy. :rolleyes:
     
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    Now that we have a title for Episode VIII, when does the teaser drop?
     
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    Most likely at the Star Wars Celebration in April.
     
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    And before the Sith defeating the Jedi in the Prequel Trilogy, there was something called the Hundred-Year Darkness (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hundred-Year_Darkness), which eventually lead up to the Jedi-Sith War (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi–Sith_war).

    That was over 1,000 years before the Battle of Yavin (BBY). This is one really protracted conflict with no end in sight as long as diametrically-opposed forces/Force users exist.

    In The Force Awakens, Maz Kanata summarizes the multi-generational conflict beautifully. First, she admonishes Han Solo for running with "You've been running away from this fight for too long," and Rey asks, "What fight?" And Maz responds:

    "The only fight: against the Dark Side. Through the ages, I've seen evil take many forms. The Sith. The Empire. Today, it is the First Order. Their shadow is spreading across the galaxy. We must face them. Fight them. All of us."​

    Darkness must be repelled, eliminated, but the one thing the Sith always had going from them was to draw strength from endless conflict, which such warring could only lure the Jedi from their otherwise peaceful and contemplative existence. This perennially exposed the Jedi to outer and inner conflict, a slow, long-term weakening over many generations.

    But, as long as there was Darkness, the Force appeared to will the Jedi back. This ultimately gave the impression the Force needed to be balanced.

    In The Force Awakens, Lor San Tekka, of the Church of the Force, believed there could be balance no balance without the Jedi.

    Some questions I believe Episode VIII: The Last Jedi should begin to answer, at least in part, are:
    • Are the Jedi really to survive and, once again, engage in this "only fight," or has Luke found another answer?
    • What is Snoke's true motivation and goal? Restoration of the Ancient Sith? Some alternative Dark Side agenda? Eradication of the Force entirely?
    • Will Rey go on to be indoctrinated as a classic Jedi, or will she pursue a new direction, with or without Luke's guidance?

    Before the Hundred-Year Darkness, the Jedi and Sith were considered somewhat "brothers" of the Force, but they disagreed as to how the learn and use the Force. This schism would only widen in time, assuring eternal conflict as long as both sides endured. One side would always be wary and warring against the other. A deep, if not the deepest underlying question here is, "where does it all end?"

    If we accept, as a precept, "there will always be darkness," someone always trying to unbalance the equation (to tap some Matrix analogues, an Oracle/Neo for every Architect/Smith), how many iterations can inhabitants of the galaxy endure?

    Removal of the Sith and the return of the/a Jedi did not result in a peaceful galaxy.

    The First Order's ability to rise from the ashes of the Empire is proof of that, but we should know as much from our own world, where, for all our "advancements," dictators still exist, are tolerated, perhaps go away for a while, but return under new management, still, whether they know it or not, enslaved to agendas, long preceding them, which will only ensure another cycle of suffering.

    The Republic, as of Episode VII, also experienced internal conflict, something which has never subsided since the earliest days of the Rebellion.

    With so much suffering, so much conflict, so much to be gained and lost again and again and again, who would be the wisest one of all? The one who could really set the example, break the cycle, truly bring about "a new hope" to the galaxy by way of peace?

    Obi-Wan's comment, in Episode IV: A New Hope, provides part of the answer (which I'd like to think is partly Qui-Gon Jinn-inspired, due to Qui-Gon Jinn's ability to step outside the constrained thinking of the Jedi Order at that time):

    "Who's the more foolish, the fool, or the fool who follows him?"​

    If Luke Skywalker simply follows in the footsteps of those before him, he stands only to repeat a history of foolish and failed choices of the Jedi Order of old. Ironically, his boldest and most intelligent move yet might have been to retreat to the First Jedi Temple, embracing the promise of forgotten wisdom instead of giving into oppositional tendencies and risking total eradication of what the Jedi fought for over many lifetimes.

    Much as many of us want to see an ultra-powerful Luke Skywalker, especially after anxiously awaiting his character's reappearance in the filmed saga, there really are no greater powers than truth, love, compassion, empathy, and, perhaps most importantly with respect to Force wielders, self-control.

    Not giving into the Dark Side before Palpatine enabled Luke to overpower through perceived powerlessness, casting down his lightsaber before the greatest personalized threat the galaxy had faced at that time. Luke's selflessness, love/compassion for his father, was the unseen "proton torpedo" the Emperor never expected. Luke endured suffering, the prospect of death, rather than fight, because he realized, through his sacrifice, Anakin -- the Jedi -- could return as Luke cried out for help. And Anakin did, and the rest is history.

    The Sith Code (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Code_of_the_Sith) famously began with a rejection of peace as a means of achieving freedom.

    The Jedi Code (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi_Code) traded chaos for harmony and emotion for peace.

    Bearing these things in mind, I feel elder Luke Skywalker must be more peace-bringer and wisdom-giver than ever. More Yoda than Yoda. That is, to understand, if not appreciate there is chaos in the world and the greater universe, looking not to the horizon now but the surrounding ocean on Ahch-To, its infinitely entwined waves ever restless, ebbing and flowing, beautifully and naturally. Of course, fight he must when he must, but not as a rule.

    Reconciling with emotion, ignorance, passion, and even death -- the other things the Jedi Code specifically references -- is also something I would expect him to have begun to do, if not completed by the time Rey arrives.

    With respect to Episode VIII, I think some interesting dramatic conflict could play out between him and Rey if he is more inclined to teach her how to harness her power rather than unleashing him, to be more guardian than warrior.

    Luke could, and perhaps should be more of an inverse Merlin role, preparing Rey not to be kingly (a la King Arthur), a ruler, warrior, leader of [Jedi] Knights, but rather a beacon of peace, a ray of hope anyone affiliated with the Dark Side would want to extinguish, if not starlike in persistent illumination and gravity, a strongly-centered being who could bring people and worlds together into more harmonious orbits more than anything else.

    Getting there would be the challenge of the ages, at least from a Jedi perspective. Rey's unpeaceful earlier survival-instinct dominated existence certainly would run contrary to this philosophy, and perhaps this is where we can see if Luke can successfully impart a more peaceful approach to the Force and any responses to Dark Side dangers.

    I've always believed the Skywalker saga part of Star Wars should ultimately strive toward lasting peace, which can only begin with the self -- a lasting peace internally and externally, across the galaxy, whether that means to be the most humanly perfectible embodiment of the Jedi ideal or to pursue the Force in a new direction, with new understanding, a more organic overall philosophical approach to the Force (e.g. less rules-based/disciplinary/Confucian and more free-form/natural/Taoist).

    I believe Luke Skywalker could be that primary proponent of peace, at least as far as sending Rey off with an unprecedented understanding of the Force so that either her, or those who follow, can eventually find or inspire such unification and peace, not by way of war, but by and through the Force itself.
     
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    --- Double Post Merged, Jan 26, 2017, Original Post Date: Jan 26, 2017 ---
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    But seriously. Very well thought out post. But as far as Peace goes...I don't think there will ever be a lasting Peace in the GFFA, simply because of money.
    The ending of Jedi was all like, "Yay, finally Peace!!!".....25 years later, [​IMG]

    Why you no peace?
    Disney
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    That's the reason I like it, i have nothing against SW traditions but I want something different from the Disney era of Star Wars films. One of the many reasons I love Rogue One more than I love TFA.
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    Also why I'm excited about spinoff films in general.
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    As much of a Dark Side user I am I would like a long period of peace after 9 because I want them to wait a while and make a bunch of KOTOR era films and fill in other places in the timeline in new canon (Shadows of the Empire period cough cough) and then go ahead with 10,11,12.
     
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    A series of Knights of the Old Republic films is something I have always felt would make an excellent storyline.

    Episodes X-XII can involve something extra-galactic, if necessary, but I would prefer there to be some logical and deserved resolution as of IX.

    Extending the Skywalker saga indefinitely, without excellent cause and simply for profit, could eventually be a failing endeavor for Disney. I'm hopeful they will be wiser than that.
     
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    I, for one, hope for exactly the opposite. It goes completely against the lessons that Luke Skywalker learned throughout his journey... not to mention the fact that he wasn't taught, and likely cannot teach himself, how to "rip a Star Destroyer in half" as I think you said in another thread.

    Instead, rather than God-like Luke Skywalker, or even a return to PT era Jedi philosophy, I see the future teachings of Luke Skywalker this way:

    THIS. This is the journey that Luke Skywalker went on and how I see his character arc continuing...

    This was an absolutely fantastic post and I think you are certainly on to something: TFA presented Rey as almost having UNLIMITED POWAA!!! following her conflict driven existence on Jakku. Perhaps all of that was deliberate in order to present conflict between a super-powerful, combat-ready Rey and her new mentor, a peaceful Luke Skywalker. His task may well be to temper her conflicted emotions and impart lessons of peace, love, and tranquility as the ultimate power against evil.

    We don't need Super-Luke pulling apart Star Destroyers with his mind. No thanks.
     
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    Sadly, I've been under a rock for the last number of weeks with a new job and learning the ropes. Double sadly enough that I learn the title of Ep8- FROM MY WIFE!?!... AAAAHHHHH how could I have missed this!!! :D #badstarwarsfan, bad bad bad... haha

    On another note, I really like the title. Sorry if someone else said this, I jumped over the 16pgs of comments, but to me it is an inclination of the new direction (evolution if you will) of where our definition of "Jedi" will further move into a new era. So truly Luke IS the last jedi, and those who possess and use the force, both good and evil, will turn into something completely different down the road. Kinda like an off shoot religion I suppose.
     
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    Between now and april...i think we will see a teaser for the celebration before april and then see real footage at the main stage in april .
     
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    :eek:
     
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    And what will happen if the "inside call" from Finn to leave the First Order, is from those little fellas called midi-chlorians?:D
    I think we all will flip out...:eek:


    That could be an unexpected twist:confused:


    :p
     
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    This is beautiful. I want to see this.
     
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    Not bad for 50 cents.
     
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    David Bowie was the Last Jedi???
     
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    I have solved the mystery. The reason the red is involved in the name is because C3P0 has a red arm therefore; C3P0 is The Last Jedi. ;)
     
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