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The Leia Conundrum

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by HothLeia, Jan 15, 2018.

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What is the best way to handle the Leia Conundrum in Episode 9?

  1. Leia is alive but elsewhere (diplomacy, in seclusion, hidden Jedi Temple, etc.)

    5 vote(s)
    7.4%
  2. Force Ghost Luke reveals more about Leia

    3 vote(s)
    4.4%
  3. Recast another actress to play Leia.

    5 vote(s)
    7.4%
  4. Leia is still alive and seen via hologram/CGI.

    2 vote(s)
    2.9%
  5. The new film is set 3-5 years in the future and Leia has already passed on well before the new film.

    19 vote(s)
    27.9%
  6. Maz Kanata fills the role Leia was intended to play.

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Introduce a new older character who is alive for the duration of the film.

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Begin Episode 9 with Leia's funeral

    21 vote(s)
    30.9%
  9. Leia's death is mentioned in the opening crawl.

    11 vote(s)
    16.2%
  10. Other (Comments)

    2 vote(s)
    2.9%
  1. HothLeia

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    ((Ep. 8 Spoilers Below))

    I remember hearing in articles and interviews that Episode 9 was going to be "Leia's Story" and have a big Leia focus. It all made sense. Ep 7 was Han's story, Ep 8 was Luke's, and Ep 9 was Leia's. While it had issues, I believe the space walk scene was included to lead up to more discussion of Leia's Force ability once Luke left the scene. However, with the unfortunate passing of Carrie Fisher, it's now unlikely the story will go this route. This is why I wish the rewrote Luke's death ending in TLJ to continue they Skywalker story (at least) into Episode 9.

    I do foresee Luke returning in different ways, but I feel that the rebels lack the wisdom and guidance that is needed from a living person from an older generation (that Leia would have provided.) ALL of the older characters are gone now (save Maz)...Yoda, Qui-Gon,Obi-Wan, Han, Luke, and now (most likely) Leia. Even secondary/new older characters have been dispatched (Holdo, Ackbar).

    What is the best and most respectful way to handle the Leia Conundrum? Who will be the new elder to lead the young rebels? Is there a way to retain Leia's story and legacy that was intended for this film?

    Looking forward to your thoughts and discussion.
     
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    A funeral where they launch her coffin into the Star left behind by Starkiller base would be poignant. Or, if they launch her into the remains of Alderaan.

    As for new leadership, the only one left is Billy Dee Williams. I could maybe see Poe, Finn, and Rose trying to recruit Lando to come back as General in the Resistance. But, I'm not sure he'd do it. It's really going to be up to the new guys. Maybe Billy Lourd could step up too, as a tribute.
     
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    So I think the best thing is a combo of three different poll options. Have a big time gap wherein the new rebellion has been waging war with Kylo's First Order (and fill it with comics and shows and books, pls, thank you). Have Leia die right before IX and mention it in the crawl. Start the movie with her funeral. Make her death the thing that instigates the plot.

    Instead of just trying to put a bandaid on the obvious lack of Leia, make it essential to the story.

    The war has been waging for a few years, so why jump back in at this point? Because Leia is dead and that changes everything.
     
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    Agreed.
    Leia's death causes a fracture in the Resistance as Poe tries to fill the gaps without the full support or respect of all groups.

    Rey has her Jedi story line, as is tradition, and the other plot is about the fractured Resistance trying to unite and stick together.
    One group sticks with Resistance the other reverts to the more classic and (IMO) purposefully used in the back half of TLJ for reason, Rebels.

    Just a thought.
     
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    Oooh! I like this. I could see a great tie in/buildup event involving Leia's last battle. Maybe even have her read those Jedi Books with Rey, start looking into her forsaken heritage.
     
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    Love this. It's a great way to address the loss and give that same lost impact in the story. I agree that Leia's death being a catalyst and change can bring more conflict into the film. Even though she is gone, her presence can remain through various stories, Luke's FG connection, artifacts, etc. I wouldn't mind a voiceover but I don't want to see a CGI Leia unless it is a silent Force Ghost at the end.

    I love the idea of Poe being unexpectedly forced into the big leadership role with various degrees of support from the rebels.
     
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    I could see this. The FO scores a huge victory by eliminating the face, voice, and heart of Resistance / Rebellion and the rest of the supporters are left deciding whether it is still worth it to go on or not... Sounds a little too similar to when Jyn was trying to do the same with the Rebel Alliance, but at the same time the symmetry makes sense. The beginning of the Rebellion versus the (possible) end of the Resistance.
     
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    ^^ Love the idea of a big tie-in event. Give it a big marketing push like they used to do with some of the books, like Shadows of the Empire and New Jedi Order. Get some people who never read Star Wars books to pick up a book or a comic.
     
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    In a way I get that but there wasn't so much a vacuum of power there and she was never trying to bring the sides together.
     
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    Choose the lesser evil : re-cast her and follow through Leia's journey till the end.

    I really hope they don't kill her off-screen or anything like that : the character, the story and Carrie all deserve better.
     
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    I really don't think you can recast Princess Leia. Way too Iconic. A funeral as a send off should be enough.
     
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    They recast Solo.....
     
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    True, but Harrison Ford didn't die. They just needed a younger person. Younger even than the character we were introduced to. Also, Harrison Ford is known for a lot of roles. Carrie Fisher........ the only other role I can think of for her is a supporting character in "Drop Dead Fred." That is her role.

    No, I agree with this:
    It could be the foundation for an overarching theme of deciding for yourself who you are, standing on your own two feet, instead of on the shoulders of legacy characters.
     
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    Carrie also played the Pyscho Girl in The Blues Brothers.
     
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    I like this idea a lot.

    Or open with a funeral which then evolves into a huge battle when the First Order attacks hoping to catch Resistance/Rebellion unawares. They could do it in a lot of ways, but I do hope they will address it on screen - not just in the crawl.
     
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    They recast R2-D2, Darth Vader, The Emperor, Mon Mothma and Chewbacca. Why should recasting Leia be any different?
     
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    Of those 5, 3 can be played by anyone since it's not a "face" character (and the iconic voice of DV was still played by the same person), 1 was not re-cast (The Emperor) and Mon Mothma was not a major character, and again there's that age / time thing. Also, the re-cast was very well done, so that helps.

    Re-casting Han, Luke, or Leia for the same time period is much different than re-casting almost anyone else. I'd say you could add Rey, Ben, Finn, and Poe to that list now too.
     
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    And Obi-Wan. Alec Guinness played him as an older man, Ewan McGregor as a younger man. Why not cast a slightly older actress to play a slightly older Leia? Carrie Fisher was only 60 when she died, which is bordering between middle and older ages.
     
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    Ugh that pesky FO... that would be a low blow. Definitely a Hux move, haha.

    If that doesn't happen, I kinda would like to see a disguised Ben Solo show up to mourn and pay his respects... or otherwise, somehow show he is very much struggling with the loss of his mother / not having a chance to say goodbye. I've always had the impression that Leia would be Ben's kryptonite, and that would play a big part of Ep. IX, but now I don't really know how that would really play out.
     
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    I can imagine Hux gloating over Leia's death, giving some pompous speech like he does, and Kylo just losing it and snapping his neck with the force or something, then acting like nothing happened.
     
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