1. Notification emails are working properly again. Please check your email spam folder and if you see any emails from the Cantina there, make sure to mark them as "Not Spam". This will help a lot to whitelist the emails and to stop them going to spam.
    Dismiss Notice
  2. IMPORTANT! To be able to create new threads and rate posts, you need to have at least 30 posts in The Cantina.
    Dismiss Notice
  3. Before posting a new thread, check the list with similar threads that will appear when you start typing the thread's title.
    Dismiss Notice

SPECULATION The Lightsaber Swordsmith

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by MarsPhoenix, Dec 25, 2014.

  1. MarsPhoenix

    MarsPhoenix Sith Psychiatrist

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2014
    Posts:
    2,714
    Likes Received:
    3,978
    Trophy Points:
    14,047
    Credits:
    6,534
    Ratings:
    +8,253 / 90 / -75
    First of all, thanks to all your wonderful cocktail recipes on the "Alcohol in Episode VII" thread... Xmas was successful here.

    I woke up this morning trying to connect dots (and remembering my last night).

    What will lead our new heroes to Mark Hamill in The Force Awakens?

    First of all, in the PT, I guess for Jedi, it was pretty easy to order Lightsabers to a local Swordsmith, possibly located in the Jedi Temple.

    This was a valuable and customized item, probably, like the katana from the samurai era, an art that was passed from a generation to another.

    Some Jedi may have become Swordsmith themselves, though, it required tools and material that you can't buy on Amazon or the local convenience store.

    Then, Order 66, Jedi extinct... Probably, the lightsaber was rendered illegal, and the art of Lightsaber swordsmith banished or extinct as well...

    Then comes the OT. The Lightsaber is a relic and a collectible. Luke manages to build one himself between ROTJ and ESB... Who taught him to do so?

    My theory is that, somehow, he managed to find someone, a surviving swordsmith who provided him with the material and the specs.

    Then the ST... Rumors are floating around that the quest starts with the finding of Luke's lightsaber.

    My theory is that it is the ROTJ green lightsaber our heroes find. And somehow they trace back the Swordsmith (Lupita?) to her planet, figuring out that possibly, if Luke lost this one, and is still alive, he might try to contact his old and secret friend to order material for the building of a new one.

    Then, the information provided by the swordsmith leads our heroes to Luke Skywalker.

    I have flashbacks of that scene from Kill Bill where Uma Thurman is getting his Katana built by this Swordsmith that has a phony job as a coverup.

    Probably the same with Lupita in TFA. Works as Dinner club hostess frontstore, but has that backstore Lightsaber workshop.

    So, in conclusion, I think we might finally discover the whole new canon behind Lightsaber craftmanship in this new Star Wars episode and that's what connect the new heroes to the old ones.

    I might go as far as saying that the character played by Max Von Sidious is the one that informs our characters with the fact that the lightsaber they have found might have been constructed by Lupita's character. Also possible the fact that MVS is a former swordsmith himself.
     
    #1 MarsPhoenix, Dec 25, 2014
    Last edited: Dec 25, 2014
    • Like Like x 1
  2. Willybobo

    Willybobo BEES!

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2014
    Posts:
    1,863
    Likes Received:
    4,895
    Trophy Points:
    13,287
    Credits:
    10,162
    Ratings:
    +7,513 / 67 / -54
    image.jpg
     
    • Funny Funny x 8
    • Like Like x 1
  3. MarsPhoenix

    MarsPhoenix Sith Psychiatrist

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2014
    Posts:
    2,714
    Likes Received:
    3,978
    Trophy Points:
    14,047
    Credits:
    6,534
    Ratings:
    +8,253 / 90 / -75
    Boxing day lightsaber sale, 70% off on parts and crystals.
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  4. Willybobo

    Willybobo BEES!

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2014
    Posts:
    1,863
    Likes Received:
    4,895
    Trophy Points:
    13,287
    Credits:
    10,162
    Ratings:
    +7,513 / 67 / -54
    I'm torn. There's a part of me that is certainly curious as to lightsaber construction. But I can't help feeling this may be another case of 'midichlorians.' What I mean is the mystery of things is oftentimes more compelling than whatever reality the writers/creators come up with. When I read about little blue aliens that are the master craftsman of lightsabers... a part of me cringes inside. Hopefully it's handled well...
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Wise Wise x 1
    • Friendly Friendly x 1
  5. MarsPhoenix

    MarsPhoenix Sith Psychiatrist

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2014
    Posts:
    2,714
    Likes Received:
    3,978
    Trophy Points:
    14,047
    Credits:
    6,534
    Ratings:
    +8,253 / 90 / -75
    Maybe they are not a species of swordsmiths, just that behind all Jedi Knight, all along, there was an art attached to the conception of the weapon. A direct link to what always inspired Star Wars at the first place: the Samurai.

    And there may be a special bond between a Jedi and his/her swordsmith.

    Like Jedi, lightsaber swordsmiths are from different worlds and species, but they vanished, as the Jedi were extinct.
     
  6. Willybobo

    Willybobo BEES!

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2014
    Posts:
    1,863
    Likes Received:
    4,895
    Trophy Points:
    13,287
    Credits:
    10,162
    Ratings:
    +7,513 / 67 / -54
    What of the laser swords of dark siders and Sith? Do they also have a distinct way of crafting their lightsabers? Or is the theory that every lightsaber was originally a light side Jedi's (would make sense considering the use of the word 'light') so there's only one way using a certain crystal? More I think about it, Sith and dark siders should use 'darksabers' not lightsabers.
     
  7. Pastor Barndog

    Pastor Barndog Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2014
    Posts:
    4,375
    Likes Received:
    5,539
    Trophy Points:
    14,817
    Credits:
    6,469
    Ratings:
    +9,392 / 246 / -104
    The problem with the aesthetic of the saber while when you hold it hearkens back to the katana. Its physical forge-able elements are other than the crystals don't lend themselves to the same sort of hand forged feel. Though I suppose gem cutting element could work.

    ooooooooooooooooo how cool would it be if Serkis mo capped a small cat sized alien gem cutter who preps crystals for lightsabers.
     
  8. Willybobo

    Willybobo BEES!

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2014
    Posts:
    1,863
    Likes Received:
    4,895
    Trophy Points:
    13,287
    Credits:
    10,162
    Ratings:
    +7,513 / 67 / -54
    image.jpg
     
    • Funny Funny x 2
  9. Pastor Barndog

    Pastor Barndog Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2014
    Posts:
    4,375
    Likes Received:
    5,539
    Trophy Points:
    14,817
    Credits:
    6,469
    Ratings:
    +9,392 / 246 / -104
    This would of course be the monster that cat sized creature fears.
     
  10. Willybobo

    Willybobo BEES!

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2014
    Posts:
    1,863
    Likes Received:
    4,895
    Trophy Points:
    13,287
    Credits:
    10,162
    Ratings:
    +7,513 / 67 / -54
    Alfus the Wiseass better known as Darth Melmac!

    image.jpg
     
    • Funny Funny x 2
  11. Luke's beard

    Luke's beard Rebel Official

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2014
    Posts:
    1,583
    Likes Received:
    2,506
    Trophy Points:
    8,542
    Credits:
    4,391
    Ratings:
    +3,670 / 35 / -9
    From what
    I remember from the Clone Wars, that the Padawans learned to assemble their own lighsaber and find their own crystals when they were in training, it doesn't seem like there were any lightsaber swordsmith.. Luke is ofcourse able to help them assemble their lightsaber though ;);)
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Informative Informative x 1
  12. Pastor Barndog

    Pastor Barndog Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2014
    Posts:
    4,375
    Likes Received:
    5,539
    Trophy Points:
    14,817
    Credits:
    6,469
    Ratings:
    +9,392 / 246 / -104
    Isn't that concept art for Warrick Davis' character.
     
    • Funny Funny x 2
  13. MarsPhoenix

    MarsPhoenix Sith Psychiatrist

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2014
    Posts:
    2,714
    Likes Received:
    3,978
    Trophy Points:
    14,047
    Credits:
    6,534
    Ratings:
    +8,253 / 90 / -75
    Who then trained Luke to do that? ;)

    If 1 thing Luke hasn't been trained for is to construct a Lightsaber.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  14. Jedi MD

    Jedi MD Jedi Commander

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2014
    Posts:
    3,384
    Likes Received:
    7,392
    Trophy Points:
    86,037
    Credits:
    18,971
    Ratings:
    +10,469 / 59 / -6
    Luke may not have needed to be trained how to build his lightsaber. He could have figured it out on his own. As we know, Luke is very strong in the force. It may just be his ability in the Force that allows him to construct it. Vader makes reference to it in ROTJ when he says "I see you have constructed a new lightsaber. Your skills are complete. Indeed you are powerful as the Emperor as foreseen."
     
    #14 Jedi MD, Dec 26, 2014
    Last edited: Dec 26, 2014
    • Wise Wise x 1
  15. MarsPhoenix

    MarsPhoenix Sith Psychiatrist

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2014
    Posts:
    2,714
    Likes Received:
    3,978
    Trophy Points:
    14,047
    Credits:
    6,534
    Ratings:
    +8,253 / 90 / -75
    I know, you can throw me tomatoes here, but... going back to The Prequels... What exactly they teach the Padawans in the Jedi Temple? Isn't Lightsaber construction something they have to learn? Not something that the Force guides you into doing?

    Maybe I am way wrong with my theory, but I am sort of anchored into Samurai analogies. :)
     
  16. Pastor Barndog

    Pastor Barndog Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2014
    Posts:
    4,375
    Likes Received:
    5,539
    Trophy Points:
    14,817
    Credits:
    6,469
    Ratings:
    +9,392 / 246 / -104
    The learn communion with the force and to let it flow through them. That way the force can teach them later
     
    • Like Like x 1
  17. Jedi MD

    Jedi MD Jedi Commander

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2014
    Posts:
    3,384
    Likes Received:
    7,392
    Trophy Points:
    86,037
    Credits:
    18,971
    Ratings:
    +10,469 / 59 / -6
    I don't disagree with you. I think during the time of th PT it was something Padawans learned. However, when we are talking about Luke we are talking about a very powerful Jedi. The wisdom and abilities he has through the force allows him to figure out how to construct it himself. Not the Force guiding him to do it. Luke is a special case and I think that is what Vader infers with that quote
     
    • Like Like x 2
  18. RBanks

    RBanks Guest

    Credits:
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0
    This will be an interesting thread to read, as I'm an old smith, of the Gun variety rather than the Sword, but old nonetheless.:D

    Both fields of work are still closely related to this day, and the relationships between those widely considered masters of their art, and the apprentice, can be every bit as colorful and quirky as they are in the Star Wars universe. They are a vocation and an industry like no other.

    And the relationships between the masters and their clients, much like the premise of this thread, can be quite interesting as well...
     
    #18 RBanks, Dec 26, 2014
    Last edited by a moderator: Dec 26, 2014
    • Like Like x 2
  19. CTownDrama

    CTownDrama Clone Commander

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2014
    Posts:
    83
    Likes Received:
    96
    Trophy Points:
    297
    Credits:
    585
    Ratings:
    +165 / 3 / -0
    Personally I always just kinda rationalized to myself that Obi-Wan had something to do with Luke building his new Lightsaber, even if his assistance was as small as saying something like "you must go to blah blah blah, there you will find this/him/her which will help you construct a new Lightsaber". It could be anything though, I feel like there may have been a specific reason nothing was mentioned at the time about how he built it. As im typing this though, a new thought entered my mind. I just remembered something said during the Q&A about the secrets of Dagobah and the secrets R2 holds. He obviously knows so much more than we realized while watching the OT without PT knowledge. He may have very well had some data on Lightsaber construction or maybe General Jedi knowledge. So many possibilities. I also sorta agree with the midi-chlorian statement. As much as I think it would Be cool to see the construction and the crystal selection and meaning behind each color and crystal explained in the movie series in a canon explanation, it may do a TPM thing like the midi-chlorians and ruin the mystery and disappoint.
     
  20. MarsPhoenix

    MarsPhoenix Sith Psychiatrist

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2014
    Posts:
    2,714
    Likes Received:
    3,978
    Trophy Points:
    14,047
    Credits:
    6,534
    Ratings:
    +8,253 / 90 / -75
    Well.... there is nothing (sorry to dissapoint with my comment) MAGICAL with the lightsaber. It's a KATANA, in sci-fi. It has a special bond to its master. The saber itself is not magical, more the fact that it belongs to one Force user. And most important, strong rumors suggest we may have a "collector" as a main baddie. If it is the case, storywise, that would be the perfect episode to introduce the "Swordsmith" to the audience, like in Samurai movies (or westerns).
     
    • Friendly Friendly x 1
Loading...

Share This Page