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The Mandalorian S2E1 (or ch. 9 if you prefer)

Discussion in 'The Mandalorian' started by Choose Light, Oct 30, 2020.

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What did you think of Season 2's first offering?

  1. Great! I loved it!

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  2. It was good, though a few things dimmed its luster.

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  3. Meh. Could have been better.

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  4. Really, this was the best they could give us?

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  1. Madmartigan

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    See you in Chapter 10 thread.

    This is the day.
     
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    I watched the episode. Not bad, especially the beginning. What was the orb the Tusken found inside the Krayt? It was something that the dragon stole from the Tusken or they just found a treasure?
     
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    It's a Krayt dragon pearl that the dragons grow inside them. (Ick.)
     
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    Thank you, in fact I didn't recall that I have seen that pearl in one of the movies or tv series before S2E1.
     
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    For whatever reason, my daughters really love this episode and ask to see it a lot. Since I've now watched it many times, I find Peli Motto's dialog to be weird.

    Referring to Mos Pelgo:

    Mando: "Can you tell me where it used to be?"
    Peli Motto: "It depends who's asking"


    Um, me, the guy standing in front of you, literally asking you where it used to be is asking.


    Also, she has R5 display a map of Tatooine from "before the war". If the war she's referring to is the one between the rebellion and the Empire, and Mos Pelgo was wiped out by bandits and comments that, "Once the Empire fell, it was a free for all". I took that to mean that Mos Pelgo was wiped out after the Empire fell and the bandits were the mining guild that took over the night of the DS2's destruction. Shouldn't Mos Pelgo have been on the map from before the war?
     
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    Not really. When Peli Motto explaions the card to him she shows him Mos Eisley and Mos Espa and a region where Mos Pelgo is located. And when he says he doesn't see anything she assures him it is there or at least it used to be there and describes it as an "old mining settlement".

    So Mos Pelgo is a mere settlement, while Mos Eisley and Mos Espa are huge city with numbers of population varying between 40.000 and 60.000 in various SW media. It has a spaceport a huge Cantina etc. Mos Espa also has a spaceport and is shown to be a big city. The size is just very, very different in comparison. One is a settlement of the mining guild, the other two are huge citys with spaceports and many other stuff.

    So to me it makes perfect sense, that two cities like Mos Espa and Mos Eisley with spaceports etc, are included in a planetary map of Tatooine while a rather small settlement isn't. Same like the map doesn't feature any of the other know canon small towns on Tatooine like Anchorhead, Bestine, Mos Doba, Mos Taike etc. Basically it is just a case on the level of detail that map had, which was not that high featuring only the two biggest cities.

    It's the same in reality when you look at maps of lets say the US, the UK and Germany. On basic maps of the US you might get the Cpaital and the 50 states (sometimes with or without the capital). On maps of the UK you also get England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland with there respective capitals. On a map of Germany you mostly don't even have that (16 "Bundesländer" which are comparable to the states in the US) and are most likely getting a map of Germany including our biggest cities with Berlin, Hamburg, Munich, Cologne and maybe Frankfurt or Nuremburg on it. You won't find smaller towns like Passau, Landshut, Chemnitz, Meißen or Zwickau on any of those maps. Despite those being regional capitals and having
     
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    I totally agree with your comparison to real life. However, I just watched the scene again and here is what is said:

    Talking about Mos Pelgo:
    Mando: It's not on any of the maps.
    Peli: That's because it was wiped out by bandits. Once the empire fell it was a free for all.

    If it's not on the maps (presumably current maps) because it was wiped out by bandits, and it was wiped out by bandits after the empire fell, shouldn't it be on a map from before the war?

    I think they should have had her say, "It's too small to be on any map, it's really just one street. But, here's where it is on the map".

    Finally, it doesn't appear to have been wiped out at all. As far as can be seen onscreen, there was just an unfortunate change of leadership.
     
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    One more thing about this episode I thought was weird, again by Peli Motto. She says that they will see his ship coming long before he lands. So what? Why does it matter if they see him coming? By the looks of it, he could have landed in the middle of Main Street and people would just look and go about their business. I don't understand why he couldn't have flown there. It's not clear if she thinks that the bandits that supposedly wiped it out are still there or if she thinks that nothing is there since it was "wiped out".

    I think this could have been handled better. This seems like a case of "too much information". Just say, "We lost contact with Mos Pelgo after the empire fell. It's kind of a mystery, but here's where it was on the map".

    The fact that they apparently still mine something and sell it would seem to contradict Peli's statements. Cobb Vanth said that the krayt dragon sometimes makes off with their "mining haul" when it eats their pack animals. From the looks of it, Mos Pelgo wasn't wiped out and has stayed in operation consistently. Maybe they only sell their mining haul to people outside of Mos Eisley and everyone there still thinks the town is gone. Then again, we only have one person's account of this so maybe everyone else does know about Mos Pelgo and Peli is just severely out of touch, which makes sense since she doesn't go outside of the city walls.

    I'm a nerd. :confused:
     
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    The difference between the two scenes - as far as I see it - is that Din talks about the maps he has (seen) in that scene and Peli Motto explains that on that maps (and we never see that maps so we don't know what is on them but they are probabably more detailled) it is not on because it was wiped out. And then Peli Motto calls in R5-D4 with another map with not that much of details on it (see explanation above).

    I don't really see how those two scenes contradict each other as they are about different types of maps. It can be absent on Dins maps because of it being wiped out and still not be on the pre-war map shown later because of the level of detail on that specific map.

    Which also means that on a card with the level of detail Din presumably used/saw it would have to be included before the war. Just not in the card of Peli Motto/R5-D4 but only in more detailled ones.
     
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    Yeah you are right, how did it happen that he came out intact. I forgot that this is supposed to be an acid, it should burn his clothing.
    Nevermind :) the episode was great! After the long waiting I am so excited that the second season is out.
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    Yeah that's right. We never saw those maps, if you allow me to assume those must be in his ship's navi computer.
     
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    That's hardly to beleive, a detailed map of the Tatooine desert? Of a mining town the size of ....
     
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    This, I thought, was a good episode to introduce Boba's amour into the series, but the rational behind fighting the dragon sullied the episode for me. Din wanted the amour back and he was already on a mission. It could have been over in seconds. But then a dragon pops up, and all of a sudden it's Din's responsibility? "Kill the ranger, take the amour, bugger off back to the ship and get on with your mission. I'm not watching this for side-quests", I somewhat heartlessly thought. I understand it would give Din a whole new, somewhat heartless, character to happily let a village be eaten by a dragon or left to be decimated by armed gangs. But I was the only one to think Din's decision, coming from at that time a somewhat taciturn and cold character, seemed a bit underdeveloped and snap? I understand I'm mindlessly picking fault due to sat-at-home-boredom, but was I the only one to think this?
     
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    Taciturn yes, cold no. Or at least only cold for truly bad guys like the cyclops guy in the intro.;) The first season told us Din has grown enough to give up bounty hunting as his primary day job so that he can take care of/find the kid's people, so he's softened up a bit. And Cobb Vanth isn't a bad guy and Din is willing to find another way around the issue than just killing him.
     
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    Did the first season tell us that? I took from it that is was on a mission from the Armorer, with only the first glimmers of emotional attachment and his caring side showing. As you mentioned, one minute he's leaving a Cyclops to be eaten by god-knows-what and the next he's risking his life and limb for a guy he's only just met. Sadly, after finding the armor, the rest of the episode is action-packed filler. I understand this is Disney so you have to make some concessions, but it still irks me a little and I wish they'd fleshed out the softening of his character a bit before he starts to become the good samaritan. Again, I'm poking holes mainly due to boredom and minor annoyances aside it's become a great series.
     
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    Well, that's how I took it when he picked up Grogu and held his hand at the end of chapter 8 when he gave him uppy arms. Din said he had different priorities now and let the kid keep his Mythosaur necklace. So I took that as softening up. I don't think Din was at the point in chapter 9 that he was really accepting his role as a dad per se, but I think that's growing too if you look at the subtext and nonverbals. Plus I have to say I think Din secretly likes being a hero sometimes TBH. Hence volunteering to kill dragons.

    But I agree that Din is kind of "two steps forward one step back" in terms of making peace with how he and his life are changing.
     
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    This was definitely a rockin' first episode to kick off the new season with. I can't even think of anything I didn't like about it. Cobb Vanth was a great new character, the Krayt Dragon battle was suitably exciting, and of course the epic reveal at the very end.

    Interesting that the settlements on Tatooine have a "Mos" naming scheme. I never realized that before. I knew about Mos Eisley, of course, but I didn't know Anakin's hometown was called Mos Espa (I can't remember if it was mentioned by name in Ep. 1 & 2 or not; if it was then I forgot about that). And then we're introduced to Mos Pelgo here (I hadn't read Aftermath before), which seems like a much smaller town than the other two.

    At the time when I first saw the episode, my interpretation was that after the Krayt Dragon killed the Sarlacc, that's how Boba was able to escape. As in, he wouldn't have been able to make it out of the Sarlacc if he hadn't been inadvertently freed by the Krayt Dragon. But come to think of it, I guess we don't really know for sure how he escaped, and either way I really hope The Book of Boba Fett explores this further.
     
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    Yes, it's mentioned by name in the films.

    Can we all just admit Boba isn't the brightest bulb in the shed? He's wearing thick, black clothing on a desert planet. Suddenly him taking five years to find his armour makes sense.
     
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    Hmm, are you sure? I just rewatched TPM and AotC and I didn't notice Mos Espa being spoken aloud in those. Do you remember what the line(s) was?
     
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