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The Mandalorian S2E6 - Chapter 14: The Tragedy

Discussion in 'The Mandalorian' started by Krali Marko Vizla, Dec 4, 2020.

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    I don't really understand your issue with the Force Voices and blaming Disney for it. I mean, if you don't like it, sure, it's your opinion. But why is Disney to blame? Jedi hearing the voices of living or dead Jedi has being a thing before Disney came in. We have the first time of communication via the force from both a living force user to another living force user (Luke to Leia, Vader to Luke) and from a dead force user to a living one (Obi-Wan to Luke) in the OT. We then got Qui Gon who had not been trained in becoming a force ghost appearing as a voice to Yoda in TCW.
    So basically Force Voices where a thing since the very beginning. I understand why people do not like it in the ST but blaiming Disney for that power seems wrong, as the power wasn't a Disney thing...

    Yes. There are different types of Mandalorians. The one Bo Katan comes from (Mandalorian by birth) and the one Jango Fett comes from (Mandalorian by creed). Both of course are as much Mandalorian as the others.

    However: Boba Fett definitely is neither! He wasn't born on Mandalore but created on Kamino by the Kaminoans as a clone of Jango Fett and he also wasn't a Mandalorian by creed as he never took the creed as stated by himself. His father did, he did not.
     
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    I think because it was only action. There was very limited dialogue and very limited play. Great effects and It was well done action, but not everyone appreciate it equally. After the episode I thought myself - now there will be two types of comments in the forum - "I totally like it, great episode" and "It was well done, but somehow I don't like it". I think the next one will be more of your type.
     
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    I hope so. They've mostly been my type up till now! ;)
     
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    Oh he was trained just didn't finished the training. Here.

    "The first Jedi known to gain immortality was Qui-Gon Jinn, to whom the knowledge upon the technique was relayed by an individual referred to as the Shaman of the Whills.[5] However, due to his training remaining incomplete when the Jedi master was killed, his body did not vanish as did those of his followers,[6] and Jinn himself was not capable of manifesting a spirit body, in spite of a few visions[5] experienced in the Clone Wars, which some believed to be his post-mortem manifestation in fact.[7]"
     
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    That's where I remember them from, Thrawn was sparring with them in a Rebels episode.

    I thought the episode was another great one. The fight sequence was a little goofy for me but that's about it.

    Tython was slightly underwhelming but it's been 30,000 years or so since anyone was there so I'm ok with it looking a little rough.

    So Jango was a Foundling, mentored by someone named "Jaste" as in hopefully Jastor Mereel, who fought in the Mandalorian Civil Wars. Which I'm guessing would put him fighting against Death Watch or maybe for them? Maybe they are considered Protectors of Concord Dawn like Fenn Rau was. Jastor Mereel was the Manda'lor in Legends, as was Boba Fett later on when he decided to pick up the mantle. Maybe some drama between Bo-katan and him down the road.

    I don't know what happened on the stone, but I'm guessing a call went out. I will say that Luke became a Jedi after facing Vader on the 2nd Death Star per Yoda. Maybe

    I don't understand not picking up the jet-pack, I'm sitting there yelling at him to pick it up.

    Grogu tossing the troopers around and the following scene with Gideon was awesome.

    Next episode will be prison break. Personally I would be looking for Dr. Pershing.

    Add Cere Junda to that list and yes please :)!
     
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    I get wanting a balance of story, humor and variety of action but I think it was nice and refreshing to at least have one episode that is different than usual and stands out. It has elements of the show structure but laid out differently.

    It starts out with a nice scene between Din and Grogu that has heart, humor and a bit of character development or growth for Din as it's the first time we hear Din laugh and he's not completely serious. Boba Fett shows up during the episode and besides finally being a badass(on screen outside of books and games)in action, he finally gets big character development in whether he and Jango are actually mandalorians or not and if the armor really belongs to him. He is also shown to not always be bad and can be reasonable like not wanting any bloodshed by fighting and simply wants his armor back. Din allows Boba to keep the armor and accepts that it does belong to him and so in appreciation, Boba promises along with Fennec to help Din get Gorgu back. Grogu sends out a force message or something and so that's story progression as it was tasked by Ahsoka and the end builds up straight to the season finale with the last two episodes after Moff Gideon has captured Grogu and getting ready to draw more blood.

    The rest is fun action and is pew pewing really all that bad and especially for a show like this that is partially inspired by westerns and star wars is a lot of pew pews anyway.

    My final reaction to this episode..
    [​IMG]
     
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  7. Krali Marko Vizla

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    He is a unaltered clone of Jango, genetically exactly the same, and trained by Jango in his youth. To get a son, clone of himself, was a decision Jango did and we have to respect that. He could choose to have a normal child or to adapt one, but he decided to clone himself instead. I think you are missing the main point - mandalorians are :

    "The Mandalorians were a clan-based cultural group that was composed of members from multiple species all bound by a common culture, creed, and code. They originated on the planet Mandalore in the galaxy's Outer Rim Territories and had a particularly important role in galactic history as legendary warriors against the Jedi."

    It doesn't say you have to be born on Mandalore to be mandalorian. Also they were of multiple species. That definitely put culture above blood.

    I will be very curious to see Bo Katan reaction when they meet with Boba. This will be the answer to your post "Is he considered mandalorian or not". She accepts Din, although he is following a different path. If she accepts Boba than I think the answer is clear. And I think she will accept him and they will fight together.
     
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    Well Boba doesn’t consider himself a Mandalorian so nor do I. This doesn’t mean he can’t become one at a later point just at this point in time he isn’t.

    He absolutely has the right to that set amour because it was his farther who like Din was a foundling & adopted into the Mandalorian culture ( we don’t know if this was the same as Din or closer to Bo Katan but as he does remains his helmet I’m going to guess the later). Think of it as a family heirloom passed down through the generations. He even bring up the chain code to show Din the history of the armour as proof of his right to have it which Din accepts
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    Im fairly sure Bo Katana will accept that Boba has the right to keep that particular set armour I’m not sure if he decided to start wearing a different set she would be as understanding plus if he is helping her to reclaim Mandalore then that is going to go a long way to smoothing over thing.
     
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    I wonder why the Mandalorians have a monopoly on owning beskar? And perhaps more improtantly, why would the rest of the galaxy accept this claim? Is beskar some sort of special metal alloy to which the Mandalorian culture (or throne or whatever) holds the patent? I'm cofused.
     
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    I was under the impression that Beskar was only found on Mandalore & other plants under its control.
     
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    Who say they have the monopoly on owning? I think others also have and wear beskar, it's just very expensive to be widespread. Beskar items are exported from Mandalore and are highly south and valued in the galaxy.
    For the patent thing - it is said that only mandalorian blacksmiths know how to work with beskar, attempt to recreate their craftsmanship elsewhere resulted in failure. So to say - everyone can buy beskar items, except armor. But only mandalorians can forge it. That explains why imperial beskar was in the form of ingots - they were not able to use it :) so instead they traded it as gold.
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    That's right. it was found only on Mandalore and it's moons.
     
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    dark troopers come directly from legends
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    Mandalorians are the only ones that can work beskar, and it is only found on Mandalore, Concord Dawn, and other Mandalorian moons. Also cortosis and phrik, while less strong, are much easier to find, and more widely used among non mandalorians.
     
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    I was talking about the design, the look.
     
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    design comes from legends
     
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    What about those X-Wing pilots, do you think that they will join the party? It will be cool to see them attacking the cruiser. They can bring the element of surprise and turn the tide in the right direction.
     
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    Wouldn't it be interesting if Moff G's chest plate ended up being beskar? Pretty sure that's not the case, but it would make Din hate the man even more (if thats possible).

    [​IMG]

    Also, man, I never realized how much Vader that ensemble is evoking.
     
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    Yep, heavy Vader vibes.
     
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    They don't put culture above blood. There are simply two ways you can be a Mandalorian. The point I was trying to make is that Boba Fett isn't a Mandalorian, because he chose not be. He himself said he never took the creed like his father did. So therefore he isn't a "Mandalorian by creed" and neither is he a "Mandalorian by birth" at least not right now.

    My posting wasn't about one group of mandalorians being more mandalorian than the other or blood over creed. It was about having to options to be a Mandalorian which are creed or blood and none of those options applying to Boba Fett. He didn't join by creed and he isn't Mandalorian by birth.
     
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    Great episode.

    It's annoyed me that Din didn't pick up the jetpack. He'd have to leave it to allow the dark storm troppers to escape, so as to give the episode and the forthcoming a story, but the pretext was fairly flimsy.

    Ashoka said she wouldn't train Grogu. But the Jedi must train him now - as to protect him - else The Empire will burn through the galaxy looking for him. It's a nice touch to the series: someone so vulnerable is the key to something so horrific.
     
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    Moff Gideon is an idiot. No donor required.
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    Just train Grogu to become Darth Minch, dadgummit.​
     
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