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The Mandalorian S2E6 - Chapter 14: The Tragedy

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    Boba using the wrist blaster thingy reminded me of Iron Man
     
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    --- Double Post Merged, Dec 5, 2020, Original Post Date: Dec 5, 2020 ---
    OK, guys, I'm worried about Din in these last two upcoming episodes.


    So you know there are supposed to be three seasons (at least) of this show, and you know how in a trilogy there's the "darker middle chapter" we need for drama, in which the very worst things happen to our title character...and this is that season...

    First they destroyed Din's home (rest in peace, dear old Razor Crest). Then they took his only family. I am really afraid they are going to take all that he has left--his identity.

    And by that I mean his armor, especially his helmet.

    They have been hinting at this since the first episode of the season, talking about peeling his armor off him, and Din says it again himself here in "The Tragedy"...

    I don't know if I can cope with what that will do to Din. I may have to assume fetal position with a fuzzy blankie. I am not going to be okay. :eek:

    It may never happen but I'm bracing myself now!
     
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    As long as he gets reunited with his Buddy he can survive anything ( emotionally) .

    Also that link for the Aurebesh translation isn’t working for me as I get a page not found notification :(
     
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    Yes it does

    Thank You
     
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    You're most welcome, @Addi Ras!

    I love the Concord Dawn mention... The whole foundling thing is a great bridge for who Jengo was too.
     
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    So much to unpack in this one.

    Boba Fett back, Razor Crest destroyed, Grogu taken and then throwing storm troopers around all in one of the shortest episodes.

    I was glad we got straight to Tython for Grogu to make his Jedi call, didn't want another 3 episodes build up, loved the visual of him in the Jedi trance thing. It also provided a great set up of the action trying to protect him while he made his call was great.

    I was against them bringing in Boba Fett but really enjoyed him and Mando fighting together and action was great in this episode. (though Temuera Morrison has got a bit of spare tire that makes fitting into that armor problematic)

    I was heart broken to see the Razor Crest destroyed, I guess at some point he will get a new ship but will always miss the Razor Crest.

    We all knew at some point Grogu would be taken by Moff Gideon they have been teasing it for episodes, was still sad to see it happen, loved seeing him toss storm-troopers around at the end though.

    I love that this episode brought so many story lines together, absolutely no filler in this one! And a great set up for the last few episodes with Din and Boba having to save Grogu.
     
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    So I’ve given myself an entire day before rewatching to see if I feel differently about this episode, so I’m all set with my coffee, actually watching it on TV instead of my little phone screen…


    Din just watching his kid play is such a parent thing. I love it. Want to bet he’s smiling under his helmet? Of course he is.

    I love how Din just wants the child to connect to him and is delighted that he responds. The chuckles are so sweet. The wholesomeness is intense.

    Grogu is making a lot of purring sounds. Are those supposed to be happy sounds, or are they just neutral vocalizations?

    Playing (Force) catch with your dad is a thing all over the universe, I guess.


    OK, so first time around I thought Din’s “dank ferric” was because he was so proud of his magic baby. Now I’m not sure.

    Is his emotional outburst here (very surprising coming from him) because he’s accepting that he can’t keep Grogu? His next words seem to hint as much. The break in Din’s voice: “You’re very special, kid.” “Plus I can’t train you” He sounds so baffled and sorrowful that he can’t help his son. :(

    “nice lady”—I bet that one’s a first for Ahsoka. :D Why is Din so strangely polite sometimes?

    “Jedi stuff” Din, you’re so precious. Don’t ever change. :D

    Din is really giving himself the ol’ pep talk here. I wonder if Grogu is even listening though. I think he’s already made up his mind.

    “Windows down!” :D I love the subtitle here: {Grogu whooping} Grogu is an adrenaline addict confirmed.

    Baby holding onto Din’s finger again—he’s doing this almost every time Din holds him. I’m not…sad.

    So anyway, the day started great…





    “Does this look Jedi to you?” “Maybe there’s some kind of control or something.” More Din hilarity. :D


    Blue butterfly baiting. *sigh*


    I don’t even care that much about Boba Fett but I was pretty pumped to see Slave I the first time. I thought he was following Gideon’s tracker but apparently not. So how was he tracking them? Armor tracker?

    Grogu only touches the stone once Din isn’t with him. I wonder if that’s significant.

    “Time’s up, kid.” “Hurry up!” :D Din, he had five seconds. We all know you just don’t want him contacting any Jedi so you can keep him. But yes, there is stress over people coming so you’re excused.

    OK, so Boba knew all about Cobb Vanth but he didn’t get the armor from him? Because?

    Aw, he’s a simple man, etc. Nice callback.

    I don’t think if Fennec shot Grogu it would make it through his Forcefield, but I understand why Din doesn’t want to risk it.

    “No need for bloodshed.” Because we can’t show blood in Star Wars, obviously. :p I finally like Boba. It only took forty years…

    Now where in the heck did Din get more whistling birds. He’s used like 40 already. (And where did that other rocket in Boba’s jetpack come from? I guess because Star Wars.)


    “Fate sometimes steps in to rescue the wretched.” That’s a fantastic line. I hope that applies to Din later. :(


    Jetpack, hello?

    Din seems low-key shook in this episode, I guess from coping with maybe losing Grogu and then actually having it happen in a different way.

    Din tries to get through the Forcefield. He is such a dumb@ss. #Relatable. I guess that’s why I love him so much.

    This Boba fight is so brutal. I’m glad I didn’t have little kids watching! But I guess this is the Boba he always should have been.

    Is this rock thing a tribute to the Mulan cartoon where she starts an avalanche to crush the barbarian horde? or just an Indy tribute?

    I find all this fighting and shooting pretty boring, especially the second time around. But I guess some people find a man in a helmet talking to his nonverbal kid pretty boring too, so…


    That’s right, Boba, get your armor while you still can. While you’re at it, pick up that pulse rif---what, you got an explosive instead? Grrr.


    Din tries to get to the baby three times. Besides the fact that Din never gives up, that number seems significant. Foreshadowing or something?

    Din taking hits for Fennec is a nice contrast to when he took hits from Fennec on Toro’s behalf in chapter 5.

    Goodbye, Razor Crest. It hurts just as much the second time. I literally have tears in my eyes.


    I empathize strongly with Grogu that after doing one (1) thing, a nap is absolutely necessary.

    Dark troopers. They fly now?

    The concept art for this scene is truly heartbreaking, more so than in the actual execution of it.

    Boba is going to “see where they’re headed”? Doesn’t Boba have the same schematic that Din has that shows the giant Imp cruiser in the sky?

    “This isn’t a spice dream”…is this maybe hinting at why Boba wasn’t on his game in ROTJ? I bet the Sarlaac cured his craving.


    What is that first thing Din picks up from the rubble? Are we supposed to recognize it?

    I don’t know why, but this moment with Din picking through the ashes of his life and even finding the ball doesn’t move me at all. Maybe because my heart also has a giant smoking hole in it?


    Remember in chapter 2 when Din said about the Crest, “Stolen or destroyed, makes no difference to me.” I think it does make a difference, Din.


    I like the honor system these people on the fringes of society have. I wonder if it holds true for people like Mayfeld though. I understand why Din wants him—for his Imperial knowledge. But how is he going to mix with people like Cara and Boba and (presumably) Bo-Katan? I like some good tension though, so we’ll see.


    I still dislike this ending where all we see is Din going to Cara’s office. So much has happened to Din that I really feel like I need to see how he’s expressing it—or more likely not expressing it—when someone brings it up. Din usually collapses in on himself and/or gets sullen when bad stuff happens to him. But he doesn’t even mention all this to Cara till the end. Of all the people he knows, she most understands most how much the baby and even the Crest matter to him. She specifically talked about both in the last episode we saw her in. But I guess he was saving that for leverage in case she was reluctant since he heard she was “legit” now. Yet she instantly says “name it” when he comes in and as in chapter 7, she is ready to Mess Up Some Imps when she hears the news.

    The CGI on Gideon’s bridge looks awful.

    Yay, I hate Gideon!

    Why doesn’t Grogu attack him? is he too tired? Please tell me Gideon doesn’t have some kind of anti-Force Sith alchemy going on.

    Oh, I see Gideon is going to lose an eye later. You doomed yourself, pal.

    Baby shackles! Gotta keep those on hand, just in case.



    So…I guess I liked it better the second time around? Maybe? it still feels a little empty or something. Maybe not as empty as my first impression though? Maybe it’s the emptiness in my heart now that the Crest is gone?
     
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    I liked the episode, however can somebody explain me how Boba Fett survived the Sarlacc? I don't know but I think Boba could have explained a little bit more about his past. Nonetheless, the episode is great with the appearance of the darksaber and the sadly destruction of the Razor Crest. I wonder if another jedi sensed Grogu.
     
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    Anyone mention that Grogu was force choking? Not exactly a Jedi tactic =). Gideon was eating it up though.
     
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    Yeah but people quickly forget and a galactic war happened and the Empire fell.
     
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    The ST pretty well established that much of history was erased and forgot.
     
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    Filoni said in an interview this week the last scene in Rebels "possibly" happened after the events of the Mandalorian.
     
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    I am convinced that we are getting Thrawn and Ezra soon.

    The way I have it pictured in my brain (which will probably play out much different on screen) is in Chapter 16, Din Djarin and Moff Gideon will be battling with the Beskar spear and Dark Saber, respectively. At some point, Gideon will outduel the Mandalorian. When all hope is lost, this is when Ezra will "magically" show up by the power of Hollywood and rescue our heroes.

    I think Gideon survives (Giancarlo Esposito has already confirmed he's been filming season 3 and is more involved) and we get a post-credits stinger. The scene would have Moff Gideon reporting in to Thrawn.

    This allows Thrawn and Ezra to be revealed in the last episode of the season somewhat Cliffhanger style with no backstory and sets up what is coming in season 3.
     
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    shouldn't be the other way around:) Iron Man looks a lot like Boba Fett :)
    his wrist laser is really cool addition, and it makes a lot of sense for cqb, it's combined with flamethrower which is even better

    The Dark troopers seems to be very mechanical, I expect that they are some sort of cyborgs
    the story tells that Palpatine made Vader and Grievous using sith alchemy, sustaining them alive until the manipulation was done, without him they would die during the operation
    Grievous armor was better than the one for Vader, but Vader never opted to replace it, because he will not survive it if he attempts alone, I mean without Palpatine
    The Moff has found a way to do the same without sith alchemy, with science, mechanically so to say, but he needs force blood
    I hope this doesn't make the Dark Troopers less interesting, it's just an explanation I found.
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    That will be cool! I don't have much hope however.
    We have already Bo Katan and the Mandalorian commandos, we have Karga and Cara, Ahsoka, Vanth, Boba and Fennec
    some side characters which may be very useful, Peli, Mythrol, Frogs, the city of Calodan, the Tusken raiders
    We have enough to defeat a Moff
    Only thing is he need to find the Moff, you know like in the joke - if i only find you :)
     
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    I hope the next episode isn't mostly about recruitment. First few scenes can handle all that then take the fight to Gideon. Although, it'll probably be a mission itself to track down Gideon's ship, which makes sense
     
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    True. But every time that happened something happened that changed the mind of the teacher. Yoda was convinced by Obi-Wan to train Luke, Luke was convinced by Rey following him around on Ahch-To and the Ancient Jedi Texts calling on her. There was always something that changed the mind of the later master about his apprentice. Here we would have Ahsoka sending Din and Grogu away to then immediately answering Grogus call. Nothing changed about Grogu or Ahsoka there whatsoever. So while it is of course possible to have her train Grogu and just ignore what she said/experienced herself, I personally don't see how that would be justified within the story.

    When did Yoda claim that anyway? Wasn't he the one that said Luke is not the only hope left in the galaxy? Also: I don't really see how Ezra would undermine Yodas claim by showing up in the Mandalorian. If anything that claim was undermined, when both Yoda and Obi-Wan Kenobi had contact to Ezra, as they both full well knew, that there is another Jedi Padawan other than their Padawan Luke Skywalker left in the galaxy.

    Also that line could be interpreted as some sort of "line of succession" thing. After all he is the Grand Master of the Jedi Order and trained thousands of Padawans over his long life, maybe he simply views Luke Skywalker as the last that really has the connection to the Jedi Order Yoda he once knew. Which is true, as all the remaining (former) Jedi we know of are Padawans. Ahsoka is a former Padawan. Ezra is the Padawan of someone who only ever was a Padawan himself in Kanan. Cal Kestis is a Padawan with his first Master being dead and his second being only his informal Jedi master who cut herself off from the force. So while Kanan gained knighthood all others are hidden or Padawans...

    So the statement Yoda made is very much true regardless of any of the Jedi showing up. As none of them roots back to the Jedi Order that was based on Coruscant during the Era of the Republic and lead by him as the Grand Master.

    Why would it be unrealistic for Grogu to remain captured? If anything that would be the most realistic way to harvest his blood. They hunted Grogu for a long time over various planets and systems because they need him and his blood.

    So the logical thing would be to keep him alive and captured as to produce more blood. If you kill him to get all of his blood now you very much end your way of getting more blood. If you keep him alive and only take smaller portions of his blood he will regenerate his blood cell and you have more blood.
     
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    I know I'm being nit-picky. And I actually don't think they'll bring Luke in. But technically speaking, Ezra is only a Padawan learner. Same for Ahsoka. Neither has been "knighted" so to speak. So that's why I'm like if it's an actual Jedi Knight who is gonna show up, then only one makes sense.

    I also really don't think it's Ezra. I think they'll bring him to live action, but it's gonna be in the Ahsoka show. I'd go with what @DailyPlunge said. I think it's gonna be Ahsoka. She's gonna feel Grogu is in trouble and come to help. Technically she isn't a Jedi either, but she is in spirit.

    Now, if I'm honest, I'd love to see both her AND Luke show up. That would be cool AF. Both Anakin's son and his former apprentice in live action? Yeah, that would be something else. LOL
     
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    The seeing stone with the ancient text and blue force energy was just like something out of Fallen Order, now I really hope we get to visit Tython in the sequel game!
     
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    That boy is our last hope.

    What other choices did they have? Luke and Rey were "the last hope" (with the exception of Leia). An example in Star Wars where the Padawan was too old and did not get trained by the original teacher was when Qui-Gon tried to train Anakin. The council forbid it. Qui-gon did not just change his mind and go do it anyway. The only reason Anakin was trained was because of Obi-wan stepping in - which was not going to be his original teacher.

    When Asohka says she is not going to train Grogu, it seems sincere and I do not think that will change. She knows the consequences of training a force-user with attachment issues. She would not send Mando and Grogu to Tython unless she believed the right Jedi was out there.
     
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