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The Mandalorian S2E8 - Chapter 16

Discussion in 'The Mandalorian' started by Lock_S_Foils, Dec 13, 2020.

  1. Angelman

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    Also, Kenobi wore the same Jedi uniform for two decades hiding from Jedi-hunters and the like. This is Star Wars; characters aren't real people, they are symbols and mythic archetypes and mood pieced.

    Also, stilt-tanks... (=0% logics)
     
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    One of the most popular criticisms recently has been the use of familiar aesthetics, costumes between movies at the expense of innovation, imagination, creativity, world building etc.
     
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    Watched the finale again and I think I found it (even) more powerful the second time. Luke seemed more Luke blown up on an old projector, as I watched it this time, than on a super-sharp 4K TV for some reason (I guess it smoothed out the CG, not that it bothered me much anyway tbh).

    I know others have said it, but the (length of) exchange between Artoo and Grogu (hey, that rhymes!) really does seem to be indicating something more than ‘hello, pleased to meet you’ to each other... which is very cool.

    I think I’ve gone from suspecting (early in season 1) to actively wanting Grogu to be actual Yoda and travel back in time. The end of Season 2 and its possible implications just make that such a cool idea to me. Watching Grogu, Artoo and Luke go off into that elevator before the door closes was magnificent, and if they planted this miraculous ‘time loop’ thing in the middle of the stories/franchise I think it would be a really beautiful thing. The idea Luke trained Yoda at the beginning of his life, who then ‘go grew’ and eventually trained Luke, even returning to him as a Force Ghost in EpVIII, then Luke doing the same for Rey in EpIX would be amazing to me... throw in Grogu’s blood being used to make clones for Palpatine/Snoke and it’d be insanely great.

    But if it isn’t all or even any of that I’d be cool with it too.
     
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    Yoda being a time traveller poses way too many questions for my liking. And I tend to like questions more than answers.
     
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    This makes no sense at all.

    First of all there is not such thing as time travel in Star Wars. And I hope it will never enter canon. Time travel is a convoluted and uninspired tool of storytelling. I only know one franchise which did time travel successfully (BTTF). Secondly Grogu is called Grogu and not Yoda. Why should he change his name? Furthermore he witnessed the Jedi massacre. If he is a time traveler why doesn't he stop that very event then?

    I think alot of people didn't get the point of that scene.

    That moment was tense. Every character was on the edge of their seats. So the characters and the audience needed a moment of relief and joy. Enter R2. Furthermore Grogu didn't want to come with Luke until he saw R2. Not because he recognized this droid- neither did R2 recognize Grogu. R2 just knows how to act with kids, he did it before. Grogu is also very curious. Seeing this big and blue trashcan must be exciting for him.
     
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    That's just R2 being friendly, I think you're reading way top much into it. Moreover his name is Grogu, not Yoda.

    I see where you're coming from, Grogu and Yoda being the same is like searching for a new Dalai Lama plus crazy Time Travel. But I think it's okay to bring in new, fresh characters. It's enough that we got Luke in that episode.
     
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    Grogu didn’t want to go with Luke? He wanted Din’s permission to go with Luke before R2 even appeared. He pawed at the screen as he watched Luke’s progress through the cruiser. They are connected through the force.

    He wanted to go. He was merely hesitant for dramatic purposes until R2 appeared and there was a moment of recognition. Maybe because IG11 once protected him and he now has an affinity with droids. But I doubt it’s that simple.
     
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    OK, I fully expected people to have different views on what posted and that’s fine. :)

    I would say that time travel is innate, we all travel through time, you and I are doing so right now, and a one-off/super-rare event wouldn’t re-write lore for the entire franchise and turn it into The Prisoner of Azkaban or Doctor Who or something ;). Anything that doesn’t exist in Star Wars in some way just doesn’t exist yet. Star Wars is endless possibilities, and since the prequels I would argue is explicitly about the dangers of applying strict dogma - that is a both a narrative and meta theme, IMHO. I agree it can get messy very quickly, so I wouldn’t want frequent, rampant time travel as a plot device all over the place either, but that’s just another reason why to me it would be special and cool that characters at the heart of the whole thing might involved in a unique or super-rare use of it.

    As for the name... characters in Star Wars do have name changes. He’s already been ‘The Child’ and ‘Grogu’ officially; ‘Baby Yoda’ unofficially within 2 (of our) years, and we know how old Yoda lived... I don’t think it’s that far-fetched to imagine he might change his name later, or that Grogu and Yoda are the same name in different languages. Like it or loathe it, the Skywalker Saga concludes with a powerful Jedi choosing a name. So if we’re talking about what is and isn’t in Star Wars, name changes are most definitely ‘a thing’, right?

    I agree with all the Artoo-meeting interpretations all at once. Things in Star Wars that matter often, perhaps usually, mean more than one thing IMHO.

    I’m categorically not saying that if none of what I have hypothesised comes to pass I will be throwing my figures in the bin and screaming about how Dave and John have ruined Star Wars :p:D. There was a bunch of stuff I had in mind for how both the prequels and sequels might develop that never came to pass, and I like being surprised, and seeing how things join up in ways I didn’t guess they might.

    Maybe in a couple of years these posts of mine will be as hilarious as my ‘Snoke is Plagueis / Hux’ theories. :D
    MTFBWY.
     
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    But what about having new characters for once? Star Wars keeps on reusing old characters.
     
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    Sure, I’m happy either way tbh, there’s lots of new characters too, but I know what you mean. But if Grogu is a new character, they might have made him completely new, not ‘baby Yoda’. If you’re riffing off the familiarity of an existing character like he obviously is to some extent, how ‘new’ is he? I’m just asking the question not really making a judgment or criticism.
     
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    I like good interesting characters, old or new I don’t mind.
     
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    the “baby Yoda” was mainly a fan thing, mainly because we don’t know what else to call them. People at lucasfilm and Disney would emphasize his title as “the child” prior to the name reveal, iirc. Part of making him the same species is 1) long lived, 2) possibly there’s a sense of them not being explored very much, and this allows us to see a little bit more (diet, for example, how slow one ages, etc). Hoping we get an actual race game.

    (Off topic edit cause I just noticed...I’m “rebelscum” now. Cool...)
     
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    Yeah, I know, that was the point I was making though - if one desires new characters because they're different from old characters, how different is one that looks like them, is the same species, etc., to the extent the public name him the same thing off their own bat?

    People at Lucasfilm have also carefully stated that 'The Child' is not Yoda, because the of the timeline... which is very true, as things stand. So far. Anakin Skywalker was definitely not Darth Vader in Episodes I and II. ;)

    Maybe Grogu really is just Grogu, and Din meets him in future chapters, and he's been trained, and he remains Grogu. That's great too. He's a fantastic character either way for me.

    OT, Congratulations on being 'Rebelscum' :D
     
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    definitely was set up better than Endgame’s...and not all rallying to “help” a really strong character that just flies ahead anyway
     
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    Exactly. Endgame's looked cool but it felt horribly forced and unnatural, in Mando it was natural and made more sense - which was nice to see in this day and age!
     
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    I agree that many characters wore the same clothes or something very similar quite a bit in Star Wars. However, Luke was the most like a real person.

    ANH:
    • Tatooine farm outfit
    • Pilot jumpsuit
    • Receiving a medal outfit

    TESB:
    • Snow outfit
    • Healing after bacta outfit
    • Pilot jumpsuit
    • Tan Bespin outfit
    • Healing after surgery outfit

    ROTJ:
    • Luke wears black "overrobes(?) over his black suit
    • Pilot jumpsuit
    • Black suit
    • Robes come back on Endor
    • Wears camo parka over black suit
    • Black suit without robes
    • (ROTJ isn't the best example) :p


    Of all the characters in live action, I think Luke changes his look more consistently than anyone else*. At least, they change drastically between movies. That's why I thought he should wear something else in his Mando appearance. Maybe the black ROTJ outfit is just his "Thursday clothes" and this episode of Mando took place on a Thursday. Who knows?


    * Leia and Padme are also contenders for this but some of Leia's outfits weren't necessarily of her own choosing: Metal bikini and possibly Ewok dress.
     
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    So I know that I was a little down on all the cameos earlier this season, but I think Fett's and the most recent one were really well done.

    I really don't understand why people think Luke was shoehorned into this, at all. Grogu called out to the Jedi on Tython and one answered. More than that, what other Jedi do you expect? There are only a handful who are even potentially available at this point, and many of them probably don't really identify as Jedi right now anyway.

    Like, I love Ezra, and it would've blown my mind to see him. But would that really be the right way to continue Ezra's story?

    Luke, on the other hand... we know that he's starting a new Jedi order. We know that he's growing in power, that he's looking into the secrets and history of the Jedi (a la Battlefront II), and that he's growing into a sort of new Jedi Master of the order. How would it not make sense for it to be him that answered Grogu's call?

    It's not like they just randomly ran into each other on a random planet *cough cough Bo Katan (though even that paid off well)*.

    I don't know, man. I hate to write people's opinions off, but it seems like some of y'all just want to be mad sometimes. Though I've been pretty unplugged since Friday, so I'll try to be open to hearing the other side.
     
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    i probably would have voted for an outfit similar to what he wears while teaching in Rise of Kylo Ren (only other visual close to the current time) or fighting the Knights of Ren. Still dark attire, but with some lighter elements so as to not be 1:1 RotJ robes.

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    It could mean that he actually has more than one outfit in his closet.
     
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