The middle Jedi finger

RJ does not seem the director that actively tries to deceive viewers. JJ with his mystery box might have been such a director, but RJ just seems to want to make a good movie.

 

He already has with what was in the teaser.

As for the question of what he might deceive us with in the movie;probably the whole training ordeal.

 

I am not sure about Star Wars, but the director generally does not cut trailers. Most studios hire specialized companies to make trailers.

 

Daisy Ridley actually gave one candid answer during Star Wars Celebration and she was asked about those who have seen TLJ, what did they think about it? She could have easily said, "They loved it!" or "It will be the best SW movie ever!" But she suprisingly said, "They all thought it was......different." Meaning Rian Johnson's style is different then anything we have seen with previous SW movies.

That is why for everyone saying this is going to be another ESB, they are in for a rude awakening. I think fans are either going to love Johnson's style or not like it at all and that will be the debate next December. What's ironic is probably the biggest complaint you will hear next December will be that it doesn't feel like any SW movie, as those were probably the same people complaining TFA was too much like The Original SW.

I have liked Johnson's previous movies along with a few episodes he directed of Breaking Bad, but I'm telling you that it's not for everyone. This whole 'it's too much like ESB' will be forgotten come December.

 

easily dagobah which Ach-To is a stand in for

 

There are walkers, light sabres and white landscape. Remake Confirmed.

Also sarcasm confirmed.

 

There are spaceships, aliens and lightsabers. Rehash confirmed!

 

I'm getting that vibe from the teaser already

 

I don't see any deception. TLJ looks very unique so far. Seems like it's the fans that are fixated with ESB similarities.

 

I'm someone who thinks TFA is a mediocre rehash of ANH and have had similar concerns that TLJ could follow the same rule. However, my feelings on this have been allayed. I think this will be a largely unique experience, with callbacks to the other films used sparingly and creatively. My only concern, and people will laugh at this I know, is that in exchange for originality they don't diminish that which has come before. But RJ seems to be a clever man and much more creative than Abrams. I believe now we will get something original that will both add to the mythology and hopefully stay true to it at the same time.

 

TFA being a rehash/copy of A New Hope is utter bullcrap to begin with. The suggestion already that it would be the same case with TLJ is hilarious: no, even better, stupid.

Hate me haters

 

More mind tricks by RJ, I hope he doesn't go in that direction for real.

 

I would have loved TFA to have been a little more 'original' and a bit less 'ANH', but they played it ultra safe. To be perfectly honest... how could they not?

JJ had an impossible task with large chunks of the hardcore fans. His overriding task would have been to safely get Star Wars back out there.. and to introduce a bag full of new and interesting characters. We need to cut him some slack and realize what a tough task he had. I personally would have altered a couple of scenes in the middle of the movie, and some toward the very end.. but on the whole i loved it, and appreciate the job JJ did.

The appointment of RJ for episode 8 was evidence enough for me that TPTB were getting brave with their choices and the direction of the trilogy.

What i will say about the possibility of an ESB/TLJ comparison... it is clear that the FO will be hitting out at the resistance and whatever is left of the republic. Like Empire.. we're in the aftermath of the good guys destroying the bad guys super weapon. Also... the main protagonist has just found the last surviving hermit Jedi for a spot of training to go save the galaxy.

Rian has his work cut out for him to go in a new direction, but the trailer looks good and i have a lot of faith in him.

 

JJ Abrams admitted that the story was drawn from ANH. To say that it is "bullcra*" is to deny what is in front of your very eyes! Droid with info on desert world, saved by future Jedi desert rat, escape on Falcon into the clutches of the bad guys, planet destroyed, another escape, goes to goodies base, plan to destroy super weapon, destroy super weapon in essentially the same way. Of course there were some added extras (all of which were most welcome) but the main crux of the film was heavily drawn from ANH.

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I get why they did it. Really I do. But that doesn't make it any better, does it? It just goes to highlight the way in which Hollywood operates. Gone are the days of risk taking and faith being put in exciting filmmakers. It's all demographics, safe sequels etc now. Look, it's Star Wars, a lot had to be similar. I just think they went way too far with it in TFA and have been paying too much fan service.

Some things will be unavoidable. Some scenes will mirror TESB. I just hope that every story beat doesn't. That there won't just be some shocking familial twist thrown in for the sake of it. That the story will go in a different direction at some point and bring something new to the mythology. I'm hopeful it will.

 

As other users have stated, TFA was a a way to get everyone on the SW bandwagon. Longtime fans, fans who perhaps felt letdown by the PT and a new audience.
So playing it safe, as some called it, really was the only way to go. Episode 8 (and, in a way, the spinoffs) is were stuff gets interesting, because the faith being put in a broad range of filmmakers.

So if TFA was the introduction, bringing back that spark if you will, TLJ will be the first film to proper venture into new territory. And from what I've seen and heard, I think we will all be surprised.

 

Under the right circumstances (i.e. not fan service), such callbacks, allusions, and echoes of prior saga plot and character points can be a very effective storytelling tool.

I'm hoping the direct parallels and repetitions are ultimately shown to be intentional, so as to underscore Luke's imperative to break from the otherwise endless cycle of suffering which has plagued the galaxy for too many generations.

In the newer Battlestar Galactica series, there was a mantra heard throughout those episodes: "all of this has happened before and will happen again." It helped underscore the importance of choosing a new direction.

The same can be said of Neo in The Matrix: Reloaded, where the Architect indicated there were previous "Ones" who faced a rather impossible choice. Neo recognized "the problem is choice."

Hopefully Luke, with Rey, can work to point galactic history in a new, more positive and peaceful direction at the conclusion of this trilogy.

 

I think it's a double edged sword for every SW movie after ROTJ. If you stray too far from the basic SW movie, then you turn one part of the fanbase off. If you stay with the same type of narrative as the previous SW movies, then you turn off another fanbase. Some fans didn't like the PT because it didn't feel like the OT, or it didn't have a Han Solo type character. Some fans didn't like TFA because it felt too much like the OT, specifically ANH.

At this point, the best thing to do is look at the big picture and not just the individual movies at this point. Maybe TLJ will be like nothing we have seen before, and maybe Episode 9 will resemble the OT more to tie everything up.

So we would have 4 movies: ANH, ROTJ, TFA and Episode 9 that have a light-hearted tone that fans can connect with the characters.

So we would have 2 movies: ESB, TLJ that are darker, and much different then the other 7 SW movies.

So we would have 3 movies: TPM, AOTC, ROTS that are more about grey characters, and a more political story.

If you look at it that way, then it is something for everyone, and makes it a much diverse Saga rather then every movie being dark, or lighthearted, or kiddy, etc.

 

It was a 'poetic dialogue', as Abrams said, which is something completey different from a rehash or copy