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The Millenium Falcon's introduction to the plot is HORRENDOUS

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Grand Admiral Kraum, Dec 26, 2015.

  1. Grand Admiral Kraum

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    All these stories about the Jedi, people thinking Han and Luke are myths... the Falcon being a legendary ship, but nobody at the Jakku marketplace knew what it was? None of the rebels over at Maz Von Sydow's camp saw it? The ship should be iconic to many in the galaxy, anyone with a mere interest in spaceships should have known about it, the make of it and how it looked. The rebel pilots should have had posters of it all over their barracks. Plenty of people saw it in action during the landmark battles in the original trilogy and you can't tell me people don't have cameras or pencils in this universe... not to mention many rebels would have really idolised Han Solo as he eventually became a general!

    Also i'm sure Kylo saw the Falcon as he was growing up.. he should have had The First Order looking for it if he hated Han so much. You know how practically everyone in the galaxy conveniently knew about BB-8 and how he looked the second a search warrant was put out? Why wasn't there a wanted poster for the Falcon over the years?

    Anyway I was replying to someone in another thread when I thought of this... Rey even goes on about what speed the ship could do yet didn't have a clue how it looked? All these people she worked with told her stories about this thing while they were polishing up junk... meters away from it?
     
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    I was more upset that Han's freighter arrived IMMEDIATELY after the ship left the surface. Abrams did this same stupid instantaneous space travel in Into Darkness as well. Both Franchies have long established that it takes a little while to travel from one place to other within a galaxy.. although the time is ridiculously fast based on real world science.. a few days to weeks in Star Trek and at least a few days in Star Wars. What is up with his ADD-addled brain that he needs it all to be instant? They couldnt have Finn and Rey lurking in the shadow of a moon or something getting some systems up to spec before Han eventually found them? or fade out and show something else like whats going on in the first order and then come back to them to show time has passed?

    It just sitting right there, on the same planet Poe went to to find Luke's map that is also the planet with Rey on it was all too "coincidence-ly" for my taste as well but like I said Han's instant arrival was far more glaring to me...
     
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    Why would the first order care about a piece of junk? I mean sure its famous and popular but they have no need for it right
     
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    Thats exactly where my complaints stemmed from.... all these planets and he's floating just a planet away from Jakku.
     
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    They picked up the transponder signal when the Falcon was activated. Han says this in the film.
     
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    The only thing that makes the Falcon special is that at some point it was used by some very important people. As much as I enjoy that ship for nostalgia reasons it's no more than a glorified car in any other movie. Not to mention there were probably a billion other freighters of the same model that look just like it. The only problem I have with the Falcon is how insanely durable it is compared to anything else we've seen in the galaxy.
     
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    We saw instantaneous travel or close to it in the Original and prequel trilogy. Slower travel was always done more in the EU then within the actual movies or even cartoons. I was fine with it here.
     
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    Yep. The Falcon should have been drifting a while before he showed up... long enough for the First Order to show up to shortly after Han did.... not a bunch of gangs.

    Except it made more sense in Into Darkness.
    First, the USS Vengeance was a faster ship. When the Enterprise tried to escape by going to warp speed, the Venegeance caught up.
    Second, Marcus knew where the Enterprise was going before it left... he had issued the order afterall.
    Unless... you're referring to a different incident?
     
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    Without overthinking it, you have to admit, if you were a true star wars fan the reveal of the falcon gave you chills. "The garbage one will do"

    My whole theater broke out in laughter, screaming, woo's and yes's.
     
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    I'm talking about when Khan left earth orbit and immediately ended up by Qo'noS

    It was already previously established that it took about four days to get there from Sol at warp 4.5

    But whatever. Modern audiences love TFA. They are happy with it just the way it is and movies like Jurassic World. I know my opinion means nothing. Please don't give me negative ratings for knowing things. I am going against Groupthink.
     
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    I understand people's quips about plot points like this but sometimes the director tries to get too cute and it bogs down the movie.

    The thing about TFA is it has 30 years of characters and background to get us up to speed with. If it stopped and took the time to properly introduce everything in an original way, this could have been a 3 hour movie.

    TFA moves quick for 2 hours and never stops. Sure the Millennium Falcon just happens to be there waiting for our heroes, and Han & Chewy track the ship right out of nowhere, etc. I'm fine with it cause its consistent with the whole movie. People keep saying its like the Original, but it has much more to cover then ANH.

    You had to introduce Rey, Finn, Poe, BB8, Kylo Ren, and oh by the way reintroduce Han, Leia, Chewy, R2, C3PO, and eventually Luke.

    That was fatal flaw of TPM is it has to reintroduce a new Anakin in AOTC and the movie could not take off without worry of establishing new characters.

    Episode 8 has the same luxury that ESB had in that everything is setup and now you have 2 hours to tell the story and let the movie breathe.
     
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    Han knew exactly where the Falcon was....... The minute the transponder was activated him and Chewie were in route.
     
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    Yes and only Unkar knew it was the Falcon. I'm sure he told everyone it was a piece of junk. So no one but Unkar knew what it was. Quad jumper is way more popular anyway.

    I do think the falcon would've been under cover or inside hanger hidden. Looks like it had some tarp over it but still...
     
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    But Khan used a portable transwarp beaming device - an overpowered technology that hadn't existed in previous Star Trek law... but old Spock brought that back from the future.



    There's just no such structure on Jakku...

    The better question would be how Unkar managed to steal in in the first place.
    When was the last time Unkar left Jakku?
     
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    I agree that the Millenium Falcon would of been looked for by Kylo Ren for sure and he would have certainly told all the "First Order" forces to constantly be on the look out for it.

    However, in regards to everyone else I disagree. The rebellion never really got that large in the first place and a great number of them have been killed (plus a percentage of them would have died of old age by now)... as for new recruits he has not been an active member of the rebellion for some time and returned to the smugglers life.

    And not many other people would have ever seen it (apart from in smugglers circles dealing with Han himself). But your average person might have heard the "legend" but few would know what it looks like. Plus it is pretty rundown now since Lando last fixed it up.

    Plus the new generations would be more focused on the "latest and greatest" new tech vehicles like they are here in Earth... not some old beat-up Jaguar from the 1960's in rotten condition.
     
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    um its one of the fastest ships in the galaxy. Who wouldnt want it.
     
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    No I just don't like the way it was introduced, that doesn't make me less of a fan at all. The Falcon "is like royalty to me" so I don't take kindly to brand new characters calling it garbage ;)
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    And were there INSTANTLY. The movie is terrified of letting the audience breathe and thats a double edged sword especially in sci fi.
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    Wrong.

    "In addition to its renowned hyperdrive, which made the Falcon boasted as the "fastest ship in the galaxy," the ship was equipped with a backup hyperdrive. Compared to the primary engine, it was much slower and often took several weeks or months to reach the nearest star system."
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    Exactly.
     
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    Luke: "What a piece of junk!"
    Rey: "That one's garbage!"

    I don't get the issue. They're just going for more poetry and rhyming.
     
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    Luke earned the right to say that as he was established before the Falcon

    Anyway I was joking with that part.. This part of the story simply doesn't do much for me. Too safe.. as was the lightsaber scene.
     
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    Y'all really nitpicking the blast out of this movie. Same can be done for the OT. Or any movie for that matter. Just enjoy it as a MOVIE and stop trying to apply real world logic to a film about space wizards and the force. Lol
     
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