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The Millenium Falcon's introduction to the plot is HORRENDOUS

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Grand Admiral Kraum, Dec 26, 2015.

  1. Cmdr. Ed Straker

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    The Millenium Falcon is a Corellian YT-1300 light freighter and it's not the only one in a galaxy far far away. (I suppose they all look the same)
    Why should they recognize and identify it as the famous Millenium Falcon?
    It's just YT-1300 freighter like all the others at the first look.
    I guess Kylo Ren did know that Han Solo was no longer the owner of the Millenium Falcon, why search for it then?
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    I agree, the ship was portrayed too tough in TFA, in the OT it's more vulnerable.
     
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    It comes down to opinion based on the old/new canon.. we could go through a bunch of books but I just don't have the time.

    However I can meet J.J. half-way on this one because I mostly like the new movie ;)
     
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    That's like saying that Luke's specific X-wing should be iconic. It's one ship out of a group of many mass-produced ships that all more or less look the same. So unless you know going in who used to pilot it, it's going to loo like any other X-wing.

    The MF operates under the same principal.
     
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    No, they stopped production on the YT-1300s around the time of Revenge of the Sith, so in this new trilogy its about 50-60 years old..

    My main point is Han Solo was a general in the Rebel Alliance.. and seeing as it was an outdated ship even during the original trilogy (Luke didn't even know what model it was in episode 4 and he was knowledgable/skilled pilot) it would have stood out during the battles back then. People would have remembered what ship he had and i'd assume The Empire/The First Order would have started searching all YT-1300s they came across for this reason.. to catch the "legendary" General Solo who took down the second Death Star.

    After thinking about it more... it does add up. As I said I can meet J.J. half-way on this and accept it.

    Another thing which factored into this some of the (now defunct) canon which claimed there were far fewer 1300s in the galaxy, but obviously this was retconned at some point.
     
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    It wasn't horrendous - it was thrilling and exciting.

    WTF is wrong with you OP?
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    this
     
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    You make some very valid points in your post my friend so why did you decide to change your way of thinking?
     
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    I do feel the same about a few points, i've unspoilered it now.
     
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    Many people here are saying that the Millennium Falcon wouldn't be recognized in the galaxy as a whole because it was just a regular Corellian YT-1300 light freighter and nothing more but I have to say that you are all wrong. The Falcon was not just a regular ship but a HIGHLY MODIFIED version. The ship would indeed be recognized by many around the galaxy and it would have indeed grown famous as the OP said. Apart from this, the fame of the ship having made the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs would be enough to make the ship very famous.

    Did any of you guys that said that the Falcon wouldn't be recognized grow up with shows like Knight Rider, Miami Vice, The Dukes of Hazzard or Starsky and Hutch? These series were super famous back in the 70s and 80s and those cars became so iconic that you would instantly recognize them anywhere and people would go out of their way to buy these type of cars and make them look exactly like the ones on the TV show.
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    Kids everywhere would go crazy when they saw these cars and they would instantly be saying things like ''Oh look there's Kitt from Knight Rider'' or ''Awesome it's the General Lee from The Dukes of Hazzard'' and everyone drooled when these cars were seen. The Falcon would have been the same and many beings would want a ship like that and this is just at the start of it's fame for it's speed and some of the things it had done under the ownership of Lando and then Han. After the Falcon's key performance at the two Death Star battles, the ship would have gotten even more famous to the point that many races in the galaxy would recognize the ship and know of it's exploits. The scum and villainy alone who ever had dealings with Han or Lando would instantly recognize the modified ship anywhere they saw it so the OP was correct in his line of thinking.

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    Beings like Sarco Plank would immediately recognize the Falcon for it's worth or it'd fame and they would have done anything to get their hand on it and not just let it rust in that dust ball of a planet. Just knowing how much the Falcon was worth to Han was enough to make Plank or others like him try to make some mean credits as they knew perfectly well that the info alone of where the Falcon was would be extremely valuable as Han would gladly pay whatever it was he had to in order to get his ship back.

    Edited for typo error.
     
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    Difference between Kitt or The General Lee and the Falcon is that kids from the 70's knew those because they were part of pop culture.

    The Falcon is part of our pop culture, but not within the universe. This is more akin to someone of a subsequent generation recognizing The Queen Anne's Revenge, while in drydock getting fixed up. People of the time may know the name from stories, may even know who it belonged too, but unless you ran in the same underground circles or had had run ins with it personally, you likely would have no idea what it looks like.

    As to Sarco Pank, you could make an argument that most of those in the criminal underground with an idea of what ship it was would likely not want to steal it. Why would a pirate or thief want to steal an easily trackable ship belonging to a man with strong ties to The Republic, The resistance, The Hutts and a Jedi legend? Seems like far more trouble than its worth.
     
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    But it had an infallible tarp disguise, lol. :p
     
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    Mi con labeled when Rey and Finn steal it in novel.
     
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    I didn't say Sarco Plank would want to steal it for himself but that he could make alot of credits by contacting Han and selling him the info about the ships location. Look at all the money that Han swindled from Kanji Club and the Gwavian Death Gang, do you even doubt that he would have paid said money to Sarco instead of doing all the Rathar business if he knew that he could get the Falcon back?

    And reguarding how popular ships can get in the SW universe, look no further than ANH.
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    If a simple Skyhopper could become popular enough that they would make toys out of it and said toys would even reach a harsh and arid world such as Tatooine, imagine how much more famous would the Falcon be and how it's popularity would spread across the galaxy once it's exploits were known.
     
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    I think there's a big difference between Luke having a model of an shuttle and some company selling toys of a specific smuggler's ship. Han Solo was a criminal. Kids weren't running around playing Han and Chewie at the Kessel run. And even if some were, there was no company exploiting that by merchandising a freighter.

    I think the idea that he and his ship would be that famous shrinks the universe too much. We're talking thousands of planets worth of galaxy here and an internally modified freighter known more on reputation than on appearance. Its famous among people who need to know that sort of stuff. Within the underground, by reputation, and through legend and stories. We see no clear illustrations of any sort of universal pop culture within the galaxy. No page six smuggler gossip columns or reality shows about space pirates. If his ship was that well known that every average Joe passing through a port would immediately recognize the ship, Han would barely be able to do his job and would have abandoned it long ago.
     
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    Maz Von Sydow...MAX Kanata :pYeah I thought it was really ranom
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    But you have to remember that the greatest fame that the ship had was not by it's criminal dealings (which only lowlifes would know) but by it's heroic participation in both Death Star battles which was known throught the galaxy. Unless you were a criminal, you wouldn't even know about Han Solo but TFA proved that Han and his ship became legends in a heroic manner.
     
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    But then how would you know about the kessel run ?
     
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    "Wait is that the...?"

    "Nah, tarp"
     
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    this.

    even if i saw the General Lee or Kitt driving down the street, my first thought would be: there's a car that looks like those iconic rides but could be knock-offs, lookalikes, hobby cars. i wouldn't automatically assume they were the actual real deal.

    Mitaka comes and tells Kylo Ren the exact make of the freighter and Ren doesn't even flinch. because it's pretty much as if Han Solo drove a Suburu and Mitaka came in and said the droid escaped in a Suburu. big deal; the world is full of Suburus.

    Rey has obviously seen the Falcon, maybe even been on it, but unless Han carved his name on the dash there's no reason she would assume it's the same freighter.
     
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    Is it really that known though? Finn knew Han Solo was a rebel commander because he is a member of the first order. Rey knew him as a legendary smuggler because she grew up in a smuggler's haven surrounded by a less than savory population. (It is also implied that Rey didn't know he was in the rebellion at all, nor did Finn know he was also a smuggler, calling into question just how ever present that reputation is) But even if we accept those as proof that some people know Solo, then it also simultaneously acts as proof that they know him by reputation only, but do not know what he or his ship looks like. I mean there were no video cameras or photographers at the battle of Yavin or Endor. So, these things would be passed on verbally only. Part of the strange paradox of the GFFA where they are technologically advanced in some areas, but primitive in others.

    I look at it this way. I can tell you who the Red Baron was. I would probably be able to call out his plane in a picture in a history book. But if I wandered past his plane under a tarp at some junkyard outside of Topeka, I probably wouldn't look at it and say "Hey, isn't that The Red Baron's plane". I wouldn't recognize it because I wouldn't expect it to be there, I wouldn't be on the lookout for it, and out of context I wouldn't be able to tell it from any other WWI bi-plane. I'd likely assume it was some other relic or prop from a movie.

    I'd say this would apply to the falcon as well, but at a much grander level. IN this case, having to span a galaxy filled with trillions of people, who may or my not care or have ever seen a picture of the falcon, in a culture that has limited news and entertainment outlets, on a planet that is inhabited by criminals, scavengers, and ascetics.

    There are plenty of things in TFA I find unrealistic. This just isn't one of them. I think it feels unrealistic as a fan, who would find the Falcon immediately recognizable. But to someone on that planet, I don't think its beyond reason that it would go unnoticed.
     
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    Remember that the Kessel Run was a route used by smugglers to get their cargo from one place to the other without getting noticed by the Empire. Here we have to quote old Ben by saying that it all depends on our point of view. For the Empire, this action would be illegal but to all of those against the Empire they wouldn't see this as an illegal action. Apart from this, the thing that made the Kessel Run real famous was the amount of time it took people to get from one place to the other. BoShek did the run without any cargo in order to beat Solo's record but Han did the same and beat BoShek's record after a few months. Though many indeed used the Kessel Run to smuggle spice, what made it really famous was the amount of time that it took a pilot to cross it.
     
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