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The More I Try The Less I Like Disney's Star Wars

Discussion in 'General Movie Discussion' started by Amanaman, Aug 10, 2017.

  1. Amanaman

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    Hello all you awesome guys and gals from the Cantina. For a while now I have been pondering away and looking at everything new that Disney is giving us while remembering fondly the wonderful SW universe that Lucas created for us and I'm so saddened to say that the more they give us, the more I try to kid myself by hoping things get better, the more I realize that the SW that I grew up with and love so dearly will never be the same. When I say this I am not speaking only about TFA but about everything that Disney is giving us.

    The more people deny it, the more I see that Disney wants to trash almost everything Lucas just to give us their own house of mouse version of things. In this post I want to talk about the things I dislike but without getting into any drama about Mary Sue's, Rehash, JJ Abrams and stuff like that but of the new SW galaxy as a whole.

    I greatly love both the OT and the PT with passion and I was incredibly thrilled when Disney got his hands on SW. I loved Lucas greatly but I was one of those who complained that he sucked for not wanting to go beyond the OT and also because he seemed to take too long to make other movies. I was mindblown when Disney said they would give us a new movie each year yet now that this is happening I feel real sad. To those of you who love everything new I say that I'm happy for you but I sadly don't feel the same. While I knew that Disney was going to give us their version of a lot of things I never expected SW to feel so alien and different. Gone were all those fantastic creatures that made the SW galaxy unique just so that Disney could give us what seems to be a reeboot universe.

    Aliens we grew up with and loved dearly are now completely gone and those that do remain aside of the Mon Calamary were turned into fan nods and nothing more. I once wrote on another thread that it seemed that Disney seemed to want to throw away everything Lucas regarding the SW aliens and I also said that I feared that they would loose control of these things by not creating a universe that went hand in hand with the other movies by letting each new director go crazy creating their own thing instead of balancing their new creations with things that already existed. We saw this when TFA trashed all SW aliens minus three that were more important characters which were Chewie, Numb and Ackbar and as expected people here bashed me greatly. They also accused me of being to impatient by saying that the new saga was only started yet come RO I saw them do the same thing over again. Gone were each and every background alien created by JJ Abrams just so the new director could do his own thing.

    We got a prequel movie set in the OT era and all we got were a few new creatures, tons of humans and a few Lucas era fan nods. Now as TLJ is just around the corner I get a glimpse of this and it really disturbs me:
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    What is all that? Is this even SW anymore? While I didn't like many of JJs designs I do admit that he did create many that fit well with Lucas's version of SW but this??? Is this Phantom of the Opera meets Labyrinth? What in the world happened to this:
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    Is there even ONE SINGLE ALIEN in those TLJ pictures that looks better than those made by Lucas? Hell no!

    They did whatever they wanted with the OT/PT aliens, they screwed with the Force and are slowly loosing the way Lucas created it to give us their own version and they took our OT heroes and turned them into washed up failures to the point of killing Han and treating his death like something meaningless were it seemed more important to focus our attention on a new girl we know almost nothing about instead of our childhood hero. I WANT to like this new SW I really do but I can't lie to myself and say I feel the same magic that I felt before with the OT and the PT. I told myself I loved RO yet I still haven't even bothered buying it yet.

    These new movies are good movies and I'm glad people can enjoy them yet to me they feel like regular sci fi action movies with SW elements and nothing more. I would glady eat my words if in the future Disney blew me away with an awesome SW movie that hits home and doesn't feel like a simple cash grab but for the moment it hurts to say that I really REALLY yearn to see a SW movie and so far TLJ doesn't make me feel even a tiny bit excited as the more I see of it the less impressed I get.
     
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    I really have to fully agree with you here. lATELY, I have been saying it a lot that Disney is increasingly making it their "own" star wars. Now, this is not a bad thing by any means and it is pretty different, but by thinking they can virtually ignore everything that George did is just not right or fair. I mean, especially after reading earlier today regarding Luke thinking that Ben was "the chosen one" which is something that truly drove me to the dark side regarding being a fan of star wars since I have been on board the new 'Wars all this time. We will see what the real truth is this december but with the real truth about star wars: galaxy's edge this past week and paired with this news, it is pretty unfortunate.
     
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    Cough... Cough... Cough...


    Also, speaking of the theme park - oh no, they set their theme park in the Sequel Trilogy, the most up-to-date aspect of SW and set it in one timeframe to make the story-based experience more immersive and to let it make more sense to the visitors when compared to a situation when every attraction would have been set in a different period. Also, they didn't include any connectionts to the prequels, the OT or even Star Tours in form of characters like Hondo Ohnaka, droids like Rex or aliens like Ithorians to show that despite the timeframe of this experience, it still takes place in a vast universe with rich history from which its creators aren't afraid to draw. Wait, you mean they did?!
     
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    trope??
     
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    I agree. It really wouldn't have bothered me at all if Disney had just taken SW and rebooted it to do their own thing as this would have been expected yet they seem to have wanted to continue the story where Lucas had ended just to step over everything he did. That to me is disrespectful as Disney seems hell bent on trying to show us that they can handle SW better than Lucas. You look at this new SW and it's like nothing of the old is good enough.
     
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    Its the most opposite for me. The less i try the more i like it.
    As if this moment I think tfa is best of sw. It is far beyond simple good vs. Evil. Kinda like i like The Dark knight series best of all the batmen. Or deadpool and antman dude best of all the marvel.
     
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    While I enjoy the new movies Disney is giving us, I do have to admit that they can't compare to the ones made by Lucas. The new movies are cool and all but they do seem like they are doing their own thing while not caring much for what came before. Every movie seems to have it's own issues aside from the lack of Lucas creatures like Rey's use of the Force and the DS being test shot even though Tarkin said in ANH that what they were about to do would prove the DS was operational. And yes those aliens from TLJ look so ugly to the point of being muppet rejects.

    Lucas made his past movies seem like we were in the very same galaxy but you are right when you say that it seems as if each new director wants to do his very own thing and if this continues it's going to hurt SW greatly on the long run.
     
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    PS. Also

    And an interesting idea


    PPS. Two more observations. SW fanbase, and probably all fanbases in general, are like a weathercock. With TFA and the Han Solo director controversy the most common criticism was that Lucasfilm doesn't allow for creativity, they are sticking too closely to the old formula, Star Wars needs fresh and new ideas, etc. But, when we get more information on TLJ, it shifts to the opposite direction and Lucasfilm doesn't respect SW legacy, it wants to remove Lucas' ideas from the equation, etc. As changeable as weathercock.

    The second thought is about the role of design in Star Wars in general. When I first watched Episodes I-VI, it was really common to criticize the Prequels for their look, and how it differed from the "used universe" of the OT. Now we live in the ST era and people seemed to accept their look but all the hate has moved to the ST and how the designs of these films are inferior to the Prequels. What I'm trying to say is that when either Episodes X-XII come out or some other franchise that will fill out Star Wars' niche appears onscreen people will magically embrace what the ST was doing in terms of its designs and people will dislike the look of these new films. The history will make a full circle.
     
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    I agree with you 100% Amanaman. The more Disney tries to remove all the awesome things that Lucas did the more I dislike their SW and I say this with a truthful heart as I find no reason to lie and had Disney given us a SW that was way better than the one Lucas gave us then I would have admitted that as well yet sadly this is not the case. Things are not looking well for SW in my mind either and I greatly fear that the whole ''It's time for the Jedi to end'' is just going to make it much worst.

    Those aliens in tuxedos from TLJ suck big time and I find them to be a huge slap in the face as they look nothing like something you would find in SW. We had an opera house in ROTS and everything looked good and the characters didn't feel out of place yet those pics from TLJ look awful compared to what we have seen before.
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    And JJ Abrams (while not to the perfection of Lucas) did manage to give us some very interesting looking characters as opposed to those TLJ Sesame Street rejects.
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    even galaxy's edge is taking place during the ST timeline. They are not rebooting anything, just choosing to ignore the prequels similar to what star trek did and what superman did
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    and that...is where you fail ;0 by trying less as a fan
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    Simply speaking: They are not trying to remove things so much as ignore everything that came before in order to market to the modern audience that seems to be all up on nostalgia, that is just the current trend within the entertainment industry however, they are taking drastic measures to create their own stamp on the franchise, and it is failing partially but is positive both financially as well as critically and within psych 101 specifically, people tend to focus on what a certain group focuses on, which is how popularity forms within properties like this...again, it is NOT a bad thing, just should not be something that Disney should allow the new LFL management to ignore in this new modern era.
     
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    No. Not from my point of view.
    The way i see it...you fail if you have to try to be a fan.
    Things are things. You love them or dont. You dont try loving them just cuz its cool or cuz all your 'friends' do or cuz your momma said so.
    You love what you love cuz you just do. Unconditionally.
    Very simple.
     
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    But don't you ahve to love something to be a fan?
     
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    Again.....so sad to say that.
    Im not that casual. But I honestly dont judge. If it works for you then im okay with you thinking like that :)
     
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    what works for me is being respectfula cross all materials and building upon that, which is something that disney clearly si not allowing LFL to do in my opinion, althougn i could be wrong, but I just want them to be respectful of us in general instead of making their own lore.
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    Ian. Agree to disagree. My views on the world and what is important in it are just sooooo different from yours. I accept it. Do you?
     
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    ...I'm talking literally only the world of starwars and nothing else
     
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    look: nuns!!! or at least possibly the male equivalent of the same species! : D
     
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    I don't know- most of this takes place on CB. I guess it's fair that CB could have its own unique subcultures. It'd be like going from a Gala in North America and heading to an event somewhere else in the world, and complaining that formal attire isn't the same everywhere.
     
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    Could be. I believe Rian said on the island it's all female. So it would make sense if there were males off the island.
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    I will say this: The Milky Way has 100 billion planets.
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    well course ~ but you know Star Wars: apparently you can't fly anywhere without running into Twi'leks and Trandoshans and the like.
     
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