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The most epic Gary Stu/Mary Sue moment in SW

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by Lock_S_Foils, Mar 6, 2018.

  1. Lock_S_Foils

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    9 yr old kid gets into a Naboo Starfighter and randomly punches buttons.....a mere 2.5 minutes later he is in space destroying the enemy's droid control ship.

    Far beyond ANYTHING Rey ever did. FAR BEYOND.

    Why the hatred of Rey and overlooking of this?

    Start at 1:06 for the Gary Stu/Mary Sue epicness.

     
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    Oi you lil' pot stirrer!
     
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    What....me???????
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    Nine year-old kid, whose only real experience with flying, gets into a Naboo starfighter and accidentally triggers the autopilot, sending the fighter into space in the middle of the battle. The kid's starfighter is eventually shot down and crashes into the hangar bay of the Federation's Droid Control ship. While desperately trying to figure out what to do, a platoon of battle droids head his way with their blasters drawn. The kid fires at the battle droids, while trying to figure out how to restart the fighter. He also fiddles with his starfighter's controls and accidentally launches a pair of torpedoes into the ship's main reactor, shutting down the Federation's battle droid army. Oh . . . said kid managed to escape from the ship before it blew up.

    If that was an example of Anakin being a Gary Stu, I think Lucas was having a laugh on us. I've never heard of anyone blundering their way to a major victory like that.
     
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    There were at least 20-30 things during that sequence that if he had chosen or "guessed" wrong he would have killed himself, his allies, or destroyed vast amounts of equipment. The amazing "choices" he made all worked, not just worked well, but incredibly were the keys to saving his friends, crashing inside the enemy droid ship, leading to its destruction and ultimate victory.

    I guess I could make the same argument about Rey "blundering her way" to success.....but I won't.

    "I'll try spinning, that's a good trick"
     
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    As a single moment, Anakin takes the cake. Probably even the first 2 as his pod race victory has some note worthy Mary Sue moments. You can probably add TPM as the movie with the most Mary Sue moments and most people probably wouldn't argue with you.

    I think GL got away with it because he's first, GL and two, Anakin was a kid actor. Media, fans and critics were more careful on how to criticize a kid. Also, we as a fandom weren't as connected to get our voices heard.

    All that being said, that doesn't mean Rey isn't a Mary Sue, and that her body of work over two movies (and most likely the trilogy since most heroes/heroines get their greatest set backs and character building moments in the sequel) isn't the most consecutive Mary Sueness in SW.

    So as a collective, it's Rey. In a single movie and single moment, it's young Anakin.

    I'd also add, there's nothing really wrong with liking a Mary Sue. I'm generally not a fan of them, but some people love those kinds of stories and that's fair and fine.

    I'll even admit I sometimes find myself enjoying them for a single movie experience. Over the long haul though, I tend to get bored of them rather quickly.
     
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    I wasn't going to go into this, but since the subject is brought up again, I found something interesting to digest.

    http://expertenough.com/2442/10000-hours-to-become-an-expert-infographic

    A real life article that says it takes about 20 hours to become proficient at something. So if we split Jedi abilities into separate skills, I'd say her mind trick was probably only proficient, but she certainly only had seconds or a minute or two at most practicing. Her moving the boulders, with Yoda a master as an example for the sake of argument, the bar for the amount of stones she moved, at least hundreds or thousands of hours of practice. Yeah, yeah, yada yada yada, she believes and all that.

    I think it's safe to say there will always be a difference of opinion between the fandom on this particular subject.
     
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    Or it could just be that this is a fantasy story and the heroic deeds our archetypal protagonists accomplish can suspend our disbelief from time to time.

    [​IMG]

    (Although I think sexism absolutely does play into why Rey is hit with this double-standard. Probably doesn't hurt that Max Landis, who started this whole "Rey's a Mary Sue" thing, is apparently a creep himself.)
     
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    MACCKKKKSSSSSS LANDISSSSSSS
    what a chump
     
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    Dude wrote a decent found-footage movie and he thinks he's the new Steven Spielberg or somethin'. Whadda card!
     
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    Wow. Just wow.

    This thread. So much FAIL.

    Anakin was the Chosen One, he had credibility to do the things he did. He had an effective backstory.

    Luke was his son, again CREDIBILITY.

    Rey? She has NONE. She was not setup properly to do the things she has done.

    How hard is it to understand that Anakin/Luke were so well written they can never be called Gary Stu's, and yet Rey was so poorly written she can easily be called a Mary Sue.

    This thread... FAIL.
     
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    Trading on his dads name all day.
     
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    Anakin/Luke FAILED constantly. I take offense to you smearing them as a "Gary Stu" when nothing can be further from the truth.

    They have something Rey does not have at this point:

    Again they had credibility by a well written backstory.
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    Your thread is full of fail and calls into question your fandom of both Luke or Anakin, or the Skywalker saga.

    Calling them "Gary Stu" when they both consistently got limbs hacked off, experienced tragic events and fell short. Comparing them to Rey? Seriously?

    Last reiteration, they had credibility from a backstory. This thread is simply a smear campaign to justify your acceptance of a SW character (and a poor attempt to sway the easily swayed) with unbelievable powers and no credibility from a well written backstory.
     
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    I'll play a little devil's advocate here since I can't sleep.

    Yes, Anakin was the Chosen one, but I had no idea of that after watching the OT. So I'll give those who want to throw the Mary Sue accusations at young Anakin the benefit of the doubt and say that GL wrote that in as a contrivance as to avoid the Mary Sue accusations. Anakin didn't have to be the Chosen one to make the PT compelling. He didn't even have to be the most powerful Jedi with the highest Jedi germs in history. He could have been born from a man and woman like most everyone else, been gifted and talented in the Force and the story could have still played out the same. Qui-gon finds a force sensitive kid and decides that due to their current dilemma, this is the Will of the Force and goes to the mat for the kid.

    Leaving the Devils Advocacy though, I'd also point out that TPM was written for a younger crowd than all other SW, even stated by GL himself that he was writing the PT for his kids (or with them heavily in mind). Kids are more apt to like and accept Mary Sues, than adults.
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    He seems mostly focused on young Anakin, from TPM. I think the older version is pretty safe from Mary Sue accusations.
     
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    I don’t agree this is far beyond Rey. But I do see your point. Yes, Anakin in Ep. 1 is a Gary Stu.
     
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    I'll just leave this here:

    686c0fe1b2a0fa220e5a977ab48dcf17--father-and-son-star-wars-clone_2.png

    All the failures they both experienced, the missing limbs, you are absolutely right they were Gary Stu's. Sarcasm was inserted into previous statement.
     
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    And I'll just leave this here: the TLJ novelization explains that Rey is an instrument of the Cosmic Force in the exact same way that Luke and Anakin both were. It's not explicitly stated in the film itself. (That's what the whole "Broomboi" thing at the end of the movie was meant to imply.)

    Honestly, Rey knowing how to fly the Millennium Falcon is no more unbelievable than Luke navigating the trench run on the Death Star in a ship he's never flown before or Anakin blowing up the Trade Federation mothership by complete accident, good gravy. ("Chosen One", my butt - that was pure luck on his part.)
     
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    What is the name for a droid Mary Sue ?

    BB8 in EP VIII is in absolute God Mode.
     
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    R2-DSue?
     
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    Power and being the chosen one can't be inherited, you know?

    Anakin a well written character... Don't make me laugh.
     
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