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The New Jedi Order. What will it look like?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Adam812, Dec 17, 2018.

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    I hadn't heard this rumor but I agree, it actually sounds like a really cool idea!
     
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    Are we saying Rey is a Jedi now?
     
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    At end of TLJ Luke did say "I will not be the last Jedi", and Rey did take
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    But she might decide not to follow the Jedi path at all in IX.
     
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    Define “the Jedi path?” What does it mean to be a true Jedi?
     
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    I've always believed that the Jedi Code is a great view at the traditional Jedi Path.
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    "Without the Jedi there can be no balance in the Force."

    The above quote points several things.
    1- The Jedi are pro-balance not an extreme. Think balancing a wheel not a scale. The dark side throws the wheel out of balance. Jedi strive to see the wheel balanced.
    2- It also suggests despite Luke and many fans view of the PT Jedi being flawed. That the Jedi and their goal was good. They screwed up on execution. Luke obviously needed a force ghost reminder from Yoda to rethink things.
     
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    Luke was throwing the baby out with the bath water. In a real life context, one can recognize the flaws and failures of Christianity or any other religion yet still hold on to its core moral principles.
     
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    Got it, Rey is a Jedi because she stole some books and Luke told some else that he was not the last of the Jedi. Makes sense.....

    I do not like the the way they tell Rey's story at all. I think it has been terribly executed so that will obviously affect my reading of the story so far, but in no way has Rey earned being called a Jedi. I have been told she is open to the force which to me means she gives into her feelings with little care. Even Luke said she went straight to the dark.

    If she builds a new way, grey Jedi or what not then I will buy that. If she is training Jedi in IX then I won't remotely buy it.
     
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    He was throwing out the baby with the bathwater until he found his hope again. Then he declared he won't be the last Jedi. (Much in the way he declared himself a Jedi in the first place in ROTJ).


    I don't think its quite that simple. Luke's prediction is a statement of hope. Luke had lost hope. Then he had a pep talk from Yoda.

    As for Rey her not following the Jedi path was part of her arc and Luke's. Rey foolishly rushed off thinking that she would talk to Ben and he would turn to the light. She rushed off to do what Luke had done with Vader. Luke rightly so told her, "Its not going to go the way you think." He figured her running off (much as he did once) would end in failure. Yoda who had to watch Luke run off and predicted Luke's failure showed up and talked about learning from mistakes. Luke let go of trying to control Rey and went on to help the Resistance bringing hope back.
     
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    I know it is not that simple, that was my point. I was being facetious. Luke's statement is vague. It could mean anything. It is just assumed to mean Rey because she is the only other force user involved that could restart the Jedi.

    Unless of course we get into silly territory and Kylo does a full u-turn, but he is going to be redeemed with his sacrifice in IX. Maybe Esra comes out of the Blue and sets up the Jedi, or Leia embraces her power and leads the new order of Jedi. Maybe they all get together to do it

    The difference is Luke failed to overcome the treat, Vader still loomed large over him. He was dealt harsh lessons both physically and emotionally. Rey was saved from Snoke by Kylo, someone she has already defeated one on one and was clearly of at least equal power in the fight with the guards. What did she learn form that? How did she suffer? Some embarrassment form being toyed with by Snoke? Her family selling her for drinking money? That is just not strong story telling. The family thing has been mentioned, what 4 or 5 times in the whole trilogy. It doesn't feel like it is weighing her down through the story.

    Any way, rant over.
     
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    Rey had to deal with quite a bit. Her fool hardy plan which Luke warned wouldn't work. Was a failure. She survived sure. But her goal was not to put an emotionally scarred tantrum prone super villain as the most powerful being in the galaxy. Her goal was to see him redeemed and stop the first order and see the dawn of peace and joy in the galaxy. She thought maybe something was happening but Kylo wasn't second guessing the Dark Side he was doing what Dark Siders do. Take what they really want.
     
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