SPECULATION The Official Rey's Parents in Ep. IX Thread

he's really talking about all of it: anyone who opposes Order with a capital O (as in the First).
i think it's clearer in the novelization that his politics are radical Centrist and he considers the New Republic and anyone who supports it to be murderers (who killed Imperials), traitors (who overthrew the Empire), and thieves (corrupt officials who took Imperial planets and resources).

this includes his own parents, of course.

it helps to remember that he thinks they are justified in taking it all back from people who usurped them unlawfully.

 

Wow, yeah, that's something that probably should have been in the movie in that case.

 

they left way too much about the First Order's position/politics on the cutting room floor, unfortunately.
as a result people think they are just facsimile Empire 2.0, but they really weren't in conception; they don't actually approve of Palpatine, they feel like they were stripped of lawful authority and driven from their own homes, that the New Republic is the seat of corruption (or was), and that they are going to do it better and right this time.
let's see if Abrams can make that clearer in the final round.

 

Guys I'm gonna drop some breaking news. Still photo of Rey's parents on the set of episode 9

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That's fake! Because

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The graves of Rey's parent were unmarked!

 

Seems so. I mean, Kylo’s personal level of commitment to that organization and their goals is totally absent. We know he’s loyal to Snoke, but that’s presented as a student being loyal to his master, not his leader. His only stated goal is to find Luke so he can finish what Vader started by killing the last Jedi.

That happens to coincide with the FO’s objectives, but didn’t necessarily have to. That’s why him assuming Supreme Leader status was odd to me in TLJ. Is this something he would even want? Kill the past and build something new - on a galactic scale? I guess so? <shoulder shrug>

Ew, those must be all the graves of the assorted geneticists that helped create Rey as a female clone from Palpatine’s DNA . . . . . . right? . . . . . . . . . right?

 

It's all of Luke's cloned hands until they got to Rey

 

I'm looking forward to Rey looking for it.

xD

 

"Rey, I'm your father and mother. We must move quickly"

 

I found Rey's family. They're junk dealers and they like to drink

 

So an untrained "nobody" from deadbeat parents can go toe to toe with the trained grandson of the Chosen One.....doubtful IMO or a major plot hole

 

Powerful parents don't make you powerful. That's the point, I guess.

 

Explicitly stated point.
Multiple times.
And the very last shot specifically.

 

You mean how somebody, who had been surviving by herself in a harsh world most of her life can go toe to toe with an injured guy, who hasn't finished his training, just killed his father and doesn't really want to hurt her? Well, I find it totally plausible.

 

I think the point was that a non-lineage survivalist can best an emotional and coddled darksider.

If anything, descendants of chosen ones tend to be weaker because they didn't go through the hardworking and suffer throughout harsh conditions like their ancestors did. THey coast by, more on prestige of their lineage rather than their actual capabilities.

KYlo is an example of this, while Rey is the opposite

 

you thought that was a good quote but it was bad... and ugly...

 

J.J. could really go for the gusto and make Rey's parents the people involved in Canto Bight. Enslaving children and power, money hungry people. That would be truly different and hurtful to Rey to find out they became these rich people while she got left behind.

I don't think they are dead, but probably were junk dealers who found something of significance and got off the planet to be rich and famous;ended up on Canto Bight and became evil people. So Kylo was somewhat telling the truth just not the whole truth.

But that's just me speculating and thinking outside the box.

 

I agree Luke wouldn't go after until he figured out his path .... And that's what the Ach-To story for him should have been. The reason I say that TLJ is Luke running like a little Vhlor is because he runs from his responsibility to put it right to an island to die. To Die?

Luke should have been on Ach-To begging the force for a way to bring his Nephew back from the dark-side. Last time he turned someone it was his father. Vader didn't have a chance at life after his redemption. not just because he died but because he would have been a war criminal. Ben is young enough to right his wrongs, and Luke has had some kind of a relationship with him since birth. Luke wouldn't accept this, he wouldn't stop fighting for his nepew.

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 31, 2018, Original Post Date: Aug 31, 2018 ---

George Lucas never said you couldn't be powerful unless you came from powerful bloodlines. In clone wars its revealed that the jedi located people at a young age with high midichloriant counts (Force sensitives). The idea of powerful bloodline is the only way to be powerful is nonsense conjured by people not Star Wars. There is large precedent for one to become a powerful jedi without significant lineage.

A few examples are
Obi-Wan Kenobi
Yoda
Mace Windu
Ashoka Tano
Plo Koon
Luminara
Ki-Adi Munida
Qui-Gon Jinn
Ezra Bridger
Kanan Jarrus

countless others who've served on the counsel

The Skywalker blood is not a special case. Anakin was a special case as he was immaculately conceived through the force. because Luke and Leia are the offspring of the chosen one its only natural that may have some second generation chosen force ability in them.

I'd say rather than focusing on weather or not someone can or can't be powerful unless they come from a powerful bloodline, focus on if the force has a special plan for them.

Because of that fact alone the force can choose whoever they want to do its bidding. However just because you're a chosen one doesn't mean you cant . lose. Even Anakin lost to Dooku in episode II. The problem with Rey is that she has had no real training with the force or lightsaber skill. she practiced with the light saber one time after already defeating Kylo Ren once (taking away whatever threat he posed). There are factors that came into play as to why she was able to beat Kylo Ren and she was even very sloppy with the way she fought in TFA so that isn't so much of an issue to me. The Issue is this:

Luke trained himself for three years before finding Yoda. He clung to every opportunity to learn about the force. He found a jedi temple on Daveron and practice with a training sphere (which he also had done in a new hope...but he didn't defeat Vader at the end of that movie even kenobi didn't). Now he starts training with Yoda and can barely lift 1 stone after like a few days or weeks training with Yoda. He is even bested when he confronts Vader, losing his hand

Rey survived on a desert planet learning how to fend for herself and take care of herself. She was not trained how to fight and thus was pretty good for trying to figure it out for the last 14 years. She learns that the force is real and successfully mind controls a storm trooper on her first attempt at using the force (yes she tried three times, but in the span of like 15 seconds.) she then proceeds to defeat the grandson of Darth Vader (yes his soul was split, yes he was caught of guard by Rey's force possession, yes he was shot by Chewie's crossbow. That's forgivable). Then she finds Luke has one lesson and a history lecture and can then suddenly hold her own against the advanced guard of the supreme leader (with the help Kylo sure). But then the massive amount of stones that she moved to save the resistance.

Even being a skywalker doesnt explain that.... the only thing that explains that is bad writing and or that the force has chosen her (which as i said before the last chosen one lost and had been trained for 10 years first) kylo has been trained and should be leagues ahead of Rey right now chosen or not.

All that to say that Rey not being a skywalker needs to have a better reason than "To show that you don't need to come from a powerful bloodline to be powerful"

I think even having Rey be the daughter of Kerri Russel's character and making Her Mara Jade would be satisfying enough. You wouldn't even have to have make Rey Luke's, you could even leave it as an unknown father.

 

True but just because Rey said the words doesn't make them true. She was in a place where she could be lead to that conclusion without having to say to her "Your parents were nobodies". Like in the Matrix when Neo comes to the conclusion he's not the one. Because of his conversation with the oracle. That was what he "needed to hear" even though it may not have been the truth.

I'm not saying her parents are somebodies, or, that they are nobodies. Just that, nothing is certain and that conversation in the throne room is not really evidence of anything except Rey's state of mind at that time.

But would you call the people in armed forces cold-blooded murderers? I think calling either Anakin or Kylo a "cold-blooded murderer" seems to be, rash judgment based on really superficial contemplation. It's not like they're just, walking down the street and killing someone for no reason. They're in the middle of a war. Actions can be blurry in extreme circumstances. What's their intent, that's the question.

I think though that redemption is in the spirit of the story, as Luke responded to Leia "no one is ever really gone" that's the hope. That's the point. If the message of the ST is "sometimes you have to give up on people, they are lost" then the ST would be, like a non-sequitar to the rest of the story.

I would hope so, to be honest. If the main audience doesn't want the message that, no one is ever truly lost? Then maybe they're truly lost and should be given up on? Nah.

That's brilliant. That's really good.

 

i don't really disagree with you at all on this, but i do think the whole "came here to die" is just Luke being dramatic.
if he really wanted to die, he'd have done it six years ago.
he's a Skywalker, after all. as good as Luke is, the drama is still in his nature. XD