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SPECULATION The Official Rey's Parents in Ep. IX Thread

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by master_shaitan, Jan 3, 2018.

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Who are Rey's parents?

  1. A couple of drunkards lying dead in a Jakku grave.

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  2. Nobodies...but not dead drunkards.

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  3. People with/from a Force sensitive background.

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  4. The Kenobi's...duh!

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  5. Luke Skywalker and his child bride Aya.

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  6. Mr & Mrs Sheev Palpatine.

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  7. The Force!

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  8. The So...the Sol...I can't say it..ok ok...The Solo's! *scoffs*

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  9. Plagueis/The Prime Jedi/Snoke

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  10. Other

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  1. master_shaitan

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    Yeah, that's fine - if they keep on the same route. What I am saying is that moving away from dead drunkards to something more savoury wouldn't work. Maybe they were old Imperials who served Palpatine and were part of his contingency? Perhaps there is some kind of Dark Side origin could be put in place by JJ (if it serves a purpose to his story). And so her parents, after the fall of the Empire and everything that happened, turned to drink and showed little care to their daughter?

    Yes, there are ways to flesh out this tale but I'm just not sure how necessary that is. It seems people just want more exposition to explain Rey's power. It might be the case that JJ didn't explain her abilities well enough in TFA (I know the mind trick jump is a stumbling block for a lot of folks) and this just rolled on into TLJ).? If JJ thinks this needs rectifying then there is room for change here but I doubt they'd want to risk the ReyLo connection story as this IS central to the story being told. I think it would just complicate matters, just to explain something to hardcore fans that they can just learn from reading stuff. The GA doesn't really care about this stuff.

    I do think though that this whole concept will develop further and play out in IX, just in a different way. I just can't see Rey's actual parents playing any more of a role in the story or being given more exposition.
     
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    Clone theory lives.
     
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    I really hope we don't go backwards. Rey has already heard the worst news about her parents. That they are dead and that they discarded her. Through all of that she didn't let that effect her. She already proved that it wouldn't have an effect because the dark side cave had no power over her. Simply put, it didn't have anything that she didn't already know. No temptation to make a deal with the devil because the devil has nothing to give you.

    The only way I could see her parents coming back up is if Kylo was lying and he knows the actual truth and can prove it by taking a romantic trip to Jakku together a la Anakin and Padme going back to Tatooine.
     
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    Not sure she's a clone (who of?), but I suspect there's something 'unnatural' about her origin. Something which will give her a plausible reason to turn dark (which no doubt she will then heroically resist with a little help from her friends).
    --- Double Post Merged, Jan 12, 2018, Original Post Date: Jan 12, 2018 ---
    It's precisely because Rey has withstood everything that's been thrown at her so far that she will need something worse in IX to keep it interesting.
     
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    Rejoice.

    She is daughter of Aya Glon and Luke Skywalker.

    5 th watching....Luke had basher shark spear tip he got from Aya personaly.
    Luke teaches Rey the knowledge from Lew'el.
    Luke lives pacifist spirit and knowledge of Lew'el.
    And its now clear,he has a Vision of wind-truster,large bird from Lew'el in front of the Sun just before he dies.

    Trilogy is fine and alive.Its a great story that becames apparent.
     
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    I do agree with that. The only bad things that happened to her are Kylo not turning good when she bet everything he would while risking her life and Finn getting another "friend". That kind of rules out her parents being part of that since you can't get much worse than being sold for booze.

    Unless she finds out she's the cloned daughter of Palpatine. Imagine all the little girls that are fans of Rey, thinking one day she will look like old Sheev! THE HORROR!
     
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    Leaving aside my pet theory about her not having any parents for a moment, I suppose they could make it worse by making it her fault she was sold.

    What if 5 year old force sensitive Rey had a tantrum and a sibling died? Parents sold her for drinking money, because they just couldn't cope. Perhaps she subconsciously cut herself off from the Force as a result.
     
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    I like the idea, but it would be at odds with the force choosing her. I feel like the awakening was like the force calling her because she’s the best light side candidate to defeat the dark side threat.

    I would like for her memories to gradually return in IX and that be a big part of her struggle. She starts remembering being abused or whatever. Similarly, Kylo keeps having memories of Han and Luke and is haunted by them.
     
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    Episode IV: "Darth Vader killed your father."
    Episode V: "No, I am your father."
    Episode VI: "Is Vader really my father?"

    Episode VII: "They're never coming back."
    Episode VIII: "Nobodies. Dead in a pauper's grave."

    So, the OT pattern went
    • Lie "certain point of view" from a reliable source
    • truth from the antagonist
    • confirmed by a reliable source.

    ST so far is going,
    • truth (or, certain point of view?) from a reliable source
    • truth/confirmed by the antagonist

    In IX, I still fully expect Rey to seek a reliable source to confirm the truth. Not sure who this would be as there aren't many (any?) left who would be in a position to do so. Maz, maybe? I don't think I would call Unkar Plutt a reliable source. We'll just say Maz.

    So, this leaves 2 options: Maz reiterates what Kylo said to her, or she expounds on that and reveals the full truth. I don't see the truth being earth-shattering, no "Luke/Han was your father" type stuff, but I could see Maz telling her a more cohesive story about her parents. Maybe we even get a last name this time around. Either way, I think some aspect of Rey's parentage will play a part in IX.
     
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    I am cool with Rey nobody and enjoyed TLJ, but drunkard parents are plain dumb and needs to go. Junk traders blasting off to another part of Jakku away from the primary trading outpost of that planet? Seems dumb.

    "Hey let's blast over to Kelvin Ravine and get drunk. Eff it, Plutt can watch her." WTF.....Would they really be blasting off - I suspect broke drunks would be walking or riding some kind of crappy Huttesque barge with a lot of rattling noises coming from it.

    If it was Rey's mind fabricating a false vision of a ship blasting off to make herself feel better about her crappy parent(s), then it is dumb. I trust they will do better than this, because this world needs a little light. If I want this kind of a terrible story, I will read Yahoo news.

    The theme of finding an unconventional family would have worked if it wasn't with the following options: A psychopath, a good friend who is now with Rose, a hotshot pilot primed to lead the Resistance with no real history with Rey, or 3 dead mentors. This doesn't seem to fit the bill.

    It may not be a Skywalker or Solo, but it shouldn't be drunks. The whole idea that her past has no bearing on her future would be okay if TFA was written/edited differently. Hollywood does a lot of crappy stuff, so it could be how it goes, but it would be sloppy and depressing.

    Funny food for thought. JJ's favorite book as a kid was "Are You My Mother" by PD Eastman ( Suess line). Perhaps it will be as simple as that in the end.
     
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    I mean, really that's the whole theme of the ST: letting go of the past and making your own future. The conflict of the trilogy, in part, lies in how you do that. Kylo Ren (wrongly) feels the need to, quite literally, kill it. Rey, on the other hand, is using it. She knows her parents failed her. She's using the mistakes of the past as motivation to create a better future, for herself and really anyone else she comes across.

    And, I don't think TFA did this idea injustice. No one was asking who her parents were but us. It wasn't important to anyone but us. It was, again, more about Rey's struggle with letting go of the past to become what she's always had the potential to be.
     
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    I agree, that part is one of the core themes of the ST, more so TLJ, with the possible exception of Maz's post vision wrap up in TFA.

    My biggest issue is with the drinking money line - it just feels cheap and awkward as an answer to her apparently 'repressed' history after TFA. At 5, my daughter remembers things that happened in the past, like the passing of her great grandparent. By age ~20, Unkar hasn't dropped any or all bombshells to Rey? Would you never ask about your parents if you thought they weren't dirtbags as you exchanged scrap for rations? Rey behaves as a traumatized 8 year old clinging to the hope of her parents returning. She even asks the cave mirror to show her parents, and unless Daisy is a terrible actress (she isn't), it was asked in a such a way that she felt she didn't know on screen - watch it again. Why, if it is not important? To prove she is alone and needs to move on. I'm sorry, but I feel like she would have reached that point 2-5 years prior on Jakku emerging into the core of adolescence while asking the tough questions about her current world with her gut already telling her they are dirtbag parents.

    This is not to say people cannot repress the bad, but why pepper TFA (because it was definitely there with implied importance) with the mystery over and over. I said in another thread that they really were/are flying by the seat of their pants, and they did what they did to provide options/routes for the baton hand off to the next writer/director. These things can all be explained away now with the force, blah blah, etc., but to me they feel empty now looking back for really no good reason. Seeds planted and never watered. That is a shame if IX does not address those items to tighten up this trilogy into something more cohesive.

    Days etched on the wall
    Xwing fighter doll
    "They'll be back....my family...someday"
    Han's interactions and looks
    "Who's the girl?" - Then she has all the answers for Rey after the vision?...
    "I have to get back to Jakku"
    Ship blasting off - a pretty nice family ship I might add for some broke drunks
    "Come back!"
    Leia's hug
    Chewie's look to Rey as they approach Ach-To - watch it again - it feels weird as if he is saying "Yo, you getting excited?. You're about to meet your Dad"

    Now again, JJ likely did this for the mystery box, future story branches, or because he hoped Rian would take his hints, but it could use some revisiting revisions to make the trilogy feel cohesive. I don't care, but explain it away one way or another.

    Family and the past is important. If Kylo and Rey have totally let go of the past, IX is going to feel pretty hollow.
     
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    If it turns out that Rey does have a different legacy then I think Kenobi is the only answer. It might just be that her story ties into the Kenobi standalone (what else are they going to do?).

    If this is the case then these awful drunks could just end up being her foster parents or people that stole her one day and used her (and later sold her). Classic childhood story really.

    But if something like this is the case it will be done for wish fulfilment (though I guess also to help the Kenobi film) and would be revealed at the very end of the film. It wouldn’t impact the plot - just be a nice wink to those who wanted Rey to have a nicer legacy.

    Yet, this would again diminish the idea of her being a nobody but making something of herself. So I highly doubt it. Just saying, it would be the only legacy route I could envisage.
     
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    This shojld merge with the rey thread since she is
    nowhere
     
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    While there had been many theories about who Rey's parents might be – could she be a Skywalker? Related to Snoke - Johnson chose to go a very different route, choosing to label them, in Kylo Ren's words, "nobodies".

    Says the director, "I went through all the possibilities of who her parents could be. I made a list, with the upsides and downsides. There were two things about this option that made it feel right to me. Firstly. I like the idea that we're breaking out from the notion that the force is this genetic thing that you have to be tied to somebody to have. It's the 'anybody can be president' idea. Which I liked introducing. The foremost thing was just dramatically, storytelling-wise. The way I like to put it is, in The Empire Strikes Back, the big revelation is 'I am your father.' It's a big surprise, but I think the reason it lands is not because of that, but because it's the hardest possible thing that Luke, and hence the audience, could hear at that moment. You've had a bad guy that you can hate, that you can project your shadow on to cleanly, he's evil. It's simple. With that one line, suddenly that easy answer gets taken away from you, and he's something our protagonist has a relationship to and has to think in more complex terms, in terms of layers of redemption. For me, if Rey had gotten the answer that she's related to so-and-so, had learned her place in the story, that would be the easiest thing she can here. The hardest thing to hear is, 'nope, this not going to define you.' And in fact, Kylo is going to use this to try and undercut your confidence so you'll feel you have to lean on him for your identity. And you're going to have to make the choice to find your own identity in this story."


    https://www.empireonline.com/movies...st-jedi-10-revelations-director-rian-johnson/
    --- Double Post Merged, Jan 16, 2018, Original Post Date: Jan 16, 2018 ---
    How did you land on the answer to the question of Rey's parents?

    It was hinted at in VII when Maz [Lupita Nyong'o] says the answers lay ahead, not behind, but it was something that was obviously still on Rey's mind and the audience's mind. It felt like a powerful thing that she was still holding on to this notion of the past defining her. And I guess I was entirely looking at it from a perspective of, what would be the thing that would be the most difficult for her to hear? The easiest thing for her to hear would be, "Yes, you are so-and-so's daughter," or, "Yes, here's where you fit into this. Here's the answer." The tougher thing to hear is, "You're going to have to stand on your own two feet. You're going to have to figure out what you're worth in this world yourself. Your place in this story is not going to be handed to you. You are going to have to find it." That to me was the most interesting and toughest thing for Rey.
     
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    I think, like with the broom boy, people got too attached to this Kylo's line. The important thing is that Rey's parents are nobodies. The line about drinking money could be Kylo's interpretation of what he saw in shared vision, Kylo giving the worst possible interpretation of shared vision to push Rey, it could be how Rey remembers it and that's the reason why she suppressed it, etc. It could be many things, but it's not important.

    The important thing is that they are nobodies who never intended to come back for her. That's why this is so painful for her. People who were supposed to love her discarded her like trash and for a good portion of the two movies she does feel that she is nothing: I am no one, from nowhere, etc. That's why it's a challenge to not allow Kylo - or anyone else - define her. It is a challenge that she overcomes and good on her.I hope JJ doesn't change this.
     
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    Couldn't she be a Jinn? They brought the Skywalkers into the galaxy - they can take them out! :D

    Rian's answers are fine, and he reached his conclusions in true way I like, but the drunken point needs to be explained away as Sir Kylo fibbing. It feels a little too Law and Order SVU for SW. The reality is JJ can still do whatever he wants for better or worse and no one really knows.
     
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    What does identifying Rey's parents actually achieve?
     
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    Nothing per se, but it may nullify the incessant parentage trolling within TFA. I guess JJ gets the blame for most of that in retrospect. If you removed a half dozen lines/scenes from TFA, a lot more people would be over it.

    I liked TLJ, but this trilogy is an experiment in campfire/baton storytelling for good or bad. JJ, Kasdan and Kath just decided to let the story unfold with each writer.
    I'm pretty sure they all initially got high sitting around like Bill and Ted going "yeah man, we'll just like, see where this goes brah. It will be so awesome, we'll write something, then Rian can. Yeah awesome idea bro!"
     
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    I don't see a half dozen lines to remove. The Maz line "Who's the girl?" was completely misunderstood by audiences. She asks that, then when she speaks to Rey she says "Han told me". That was the connection to "Who's the girl". It was so that we (the audience) didn't have to hear Han tell us how he found Rey when we just saw it unfold in front of our eyes.

    Kylo's line "what girl?" means exactly what it sounds like. "What girl is helping FN-2187?" Hell, it could have been Phasma in his mind.

    The saber calling to her was part of her awakening. It didn't mean she was a Skywalker, although many thought it did.

    The biggest misdirection that started everything was the TRAILERS! "My father had it, I have it, you have that power too" lines from Luke kicked off the speculation. Then when you add the ambiguity of the film, everyone hopped on the Rey Somebody bandwagon. The thing is, the trailers even had the lines "Who are you?" and "I'm no one". But when that wasn't in the movie....oh boy let the speculation begin.

    The trailers for TFA also led people to believe Finn would be force sensitive and a Jedi. So when Finn hears the cries before the Republic gets destroyed, fans latched onto that as he's Force sensitive.

    I blame the trailers and us fans more than TFA for fueling the frenzy about Rey's parentage.
     
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