SPECULATION THE OFFICIAL SNOKE DISCUSSION THREAD

I mean in terms of being a master of the light or the dark.
To master the light, one must be wholly loving and compassionate. To master the dark one requires to be full of anger and hatred.
A normal person of course is a mix of both.
But to be a master of one side of the Force you must choose which path to follow else you will be a master of nothing.

 

--- Double Post Merged, Jan 17, 2017, Original Post Date: Jan 17, 2017 ---

Yes that makes my original comment a mute point.

 

There are many many theories out there about exactly who Supreme Leader Snoke is (and is not) I'd like to throw my hat in the ring with this seemingly out there theory.

Last year I noticed that both Ezra and Snoke shared a similar (almost identical) facial structure... and blue eyes... just saying.



I also noticed that Ezra has a scar in the exact same place as Snoke... I'm not saying its the same scar, but Snoke's scar does cover a distinct facial feature of Ezra Bridger.



Ezra also discovered a lightsaber with the same cross-hilt design that Kylo Ren uses... could it be the exact same one?



Now people will say... "But Snoke has seen both the fall of the Old Republic and the rise of the Galactic Empire. Ezra was born on Empire Day... he's too young". This is true, but what if Snoke is only physically Ezra Bridger, but mentally someone else entirely (or partially).

REBELS SEASON THREE SPOILERS....

If you are watching Star Wars Rebels right now, you will know that Ezra and (formerly Darth) Maul share a psychic connection, each being able to see into each others minds, ever since they merged the Jedi and Sith holocrons. We know that Ezra has already learned to use some dark side powers... so he knows both the dark and the light side of the force already and it's making him more powerful. This is exactly what Snoke wants Kylo Ren to do.

So after seeing the season 3 second half trailer, we know that Maul is going to face off with Obi wan Kenobi... What if Maul is physically killed by Obi wan, but he is able to somehow survive inside the mind of Ezra Bridger (like Spock did with Bones in Star Trek 3...sorry for the Trek reference) We know that Maul is a survivor... like a galactic cockroach. This gives movie viewers a recognizable character from the movies for Snoke to be, while explaining why he doesn't look the same.

The presence of Maul within his mind all the time could then drive Ezra crazy, creating a new personality.... SNOKE. This could explain Snoke's interest in both the light and darkside... and calling Kylo Ren his apprentice (like Maul did/does with Ezra Bridger) Speaking of apprentices... it is said that Snoke has had many. So Darth Maul has had Savage Opress, Ezra (in his mind) and now Kylo Ren as apprentices already... that fits the "many apprentices".

Snoke is neither a jedi nor a sith... this mirrors a comment that Maul made to Ezra in the 2 part season finale of season 2. Snoke is interested in the force as a whole, both light and dark sides... So is Snoke.

It was mentioned somewhere in this thread that Leia knew Snoke before he seduced Ben to the dark side... Leia met Ezra in Rebels once already and will probably meet him again.

I also heard the story of a defunct Darth Maul video game that went in the trash can when Disney bought Lucas Film. In that game, Maul is alive and the leader of an Galactic Empire/New Order type military dictatorship. Now Snoke is sitting in that exact spot in TFA... I don't think that is coincidence. The people over at the Lucas Story Group like to cross pollinate... A LOT! This doesn't seem like much of stretch to me.

I've been told I'm crazy... but I think where there's SNOKE...er... smoke there's fire

 

Eh, unlikely because Ezra has brown skin and Snoke's skin is pale. Not because that's an insurmountable difference, but because Disney would not want to be accused of whitewashing Ezra. They won't do this.

 

There's still something about Gallius Rax that makes me think that Snoke is either pulling his strings in Aftermath or he's about to and they have a close relationship rebuilding the first order. I've quickly gone past Rax = Snoke. It doesn't make sense.

However reading through aftermath: LD recently, you pick up things like Rax (wendig) making it clear to the reader that Hux needs to be brought into the fold because of rebuilding with children, that they need to disappear to rebuild. Hell there is a sentence in the book (can't remember page number) where Rax is about to call the rebuilding effort the "first order".

If we compare where aftermath finishes in life debt with TFA's representation of the first order, snoke has basically implemented Rax's exact vision. Would a competitor do things exactly like their rival? Whether Snoke waited and knocked off Rax after they rebuilt, or he's been in contact with Rax since the fall of the empire, there is a close connection that will surely be explored.

 

I don't think that making Ezra become Snoke is "white-washing" in any way, shape or form. Sure Ezra has a darker complexion than the hologram version of Snoke... but Snoke is damaged and could have lost a lot of skin pigmentation... or he could appear lighter because of the effect of the hologram. I go back to the physical evidence over and over... they have the same colour eyes, same facial structure, same scare (area) PLUS... Rebels started at the same time as the New Star Wars stories by Disney.... what better way to introduce us to the new "Emperor, than to do a prequel tv show showing him as a young man in the rebellion and we can see how he turned... kinda Disney's way of doing the prequel/Clone Wars version of Snoke without us knowing it.

 

That can actually happen biologically if you're confined to a dark area for an enough amount of time

 

Believe me, people would complain. I guarantee you there'd be outrage over what a great potential PoC villain we lost. More importantly to me though, I don't feel like this reveal has much of a payoff. Most fans don't know who Ezra is, and so when Snoke turns out to be him--you see? They'd just be confused. And saying he was some Jedi/Sith hybrid who survived the Empire's purge is Gary Stu-ish, so. I don't think it would work.

I will say though, that I definitely think there are Sequel Trilogy hints in the Rebels episodes.

 

Oh I agree that there are Sequel Trilogy hints in Rebels for sure.

As for Ezra. I think that the real payoff to movie fans would be that he is Darth.... sorry.... former Darth Maul, inhabiting the body of a former apprentice. Movie goers would know who Maul was with less explanation than say someone like Gallius Rax.

 

Some updated thoughts to my previous Rax-Snoke post.

I think both Aftermath books make it pretty clear Rax is just a piece on Snoke's chess board.


He's not taking on the full role as emperor, in fact he (wendig via Rax) seems to be implying that even though Rax pulled all those strings to purge the remaining imperial hierarchy and used Sloane as the puppet, that everything is being wiped clean because he is following a plan. But, not one of his own making.

NOT Emperor, NOT Supreme Leader but Counselor.


Rax is an adviser and assistant that is purging the old formation because he has the ability to do the work Snoke cannot. Yet keeping vital First Order traits evident in the rebuild we see in TFA.


The more important question is, why does Snoke follow Rax's mission to rebuild down to the very minute details. I think the obvious answer now, (until empires end proves me wrong) , is that Snoke is the "master" puppeteer that has been in contact with Rax, maybe even before Sidious died.

Rax was not some cult member that had a fetishistic bond with Sidious up till the end. I think Empire's End will have A LOT to say about this supposed dig site on Jakku and early life Rax which will ultimately show how we get from the Rax version of a new empire to Snoke's TFA "empire".


To not answer how that transition takes place in Aftermath: EE would be ridiculous. It has to be explained or they are saying two vital characters in new canon have the exact same plan, but that it's just a happy accident that snoke's plan made it through.

 

Snoke is not Ezra. What does that serve in the larger function of the skywalker saga? If you want to wrap up the skywalker story, what better way to do it then have the big baddie of all 9 films be the father of Darth Vader?

Snoke is Plagueis

 

I've been revisiting this book recently, and a line caught me. When Tashu is being freed, he said he only serves the Emperor. The guard tells him that Rax serves the Emperor, too.

 

I thought it was pretty much confirmed that Snoke was not Plagueis. And as far as Ezra/Snoke's larger function in the Skywalker saga... as the villian... same as Snoke.

 

You do know that Hidalgo saying Snoke isn’t Plagueis doesn’t count. He’s even said that he doesn’t want to spoil the movies, so what’s he gonna say? “Oh yea, nice one, yup you’re right, Snoke is Plagueis.”

Also, Snoke is a stupid name. Personally, I would have preferred just the Supreme Leader, kind of like how Palpatine was just the Emperor in the first three films.

 

I'd really like to find out WHY in thte heck they chose "snoke."

 

I hope he finally gets off that chair.

 

I don’t think Abrams even knows

 

mystery box *

 

He stood up for only 5 seconds, yet it nearly killed him! No seriously, standing nearly killed him!

TFA Script (Whilst Snoke stands listening to General Hux):​

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Has Snoke ever considered using a wheelchair or a walking stick?

Perhaps one of these?...

Spoiler: #CrippledOAP