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SPECULATION The old Jedi Temples

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Rebels' started by Kyber, Oct 10, 2016.

  1. Kyber

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    The Jedi Order by the time of the Clone Wars, as stated by Pablo, had become more "Order" than Jedi (clinical, less spiritual, etc). I believe the Coruscant Temple and Lothal Temple may be a striking illustration of what Pablo meant.

    The Temple of Lothal is a nexus of the Force. It granted visions and was a place where you could communicate with Yoda. You even had to use the Force to enter the Jedi Temple. I do not believe the Coruscant Temple to be the same. Also, I do not believe the Coruscant Temple would be protected and operate through the Force, like the Temple on Lothal and many past Jedi Temples do, otherwise Palpy would've had a hard time making it his palace.

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    (The Temple didn't seem to like them entering very much. It glowed red as they used the Dark Side and ripped it up out of the ground. In fact, it seemed like the Temple practically self-destructed when it felt Dark Siders trying to get in.)

    The Coruscant Temple reflects the Jedi's transformation to a less spiritual, dull version of their ancestors. I've also noticed there are many Jedi Temples, while the Temples of the past give us insight to who the Jedi once were.

    So, here we go!

    1.) At what point do you believe the Jedi moved to the Coruscant Temple? Was stationing the entire Jedi Order there a deal signed when they swore to protect the Republic? Is there a little more going on here. i've always had the idea that the war with the Sith was going nowhere, so the Jedi swore themselves with the Republic to finish em' off, as a trade off for helping the Jedi defeat the Sith 'once and for all', knowing little of the Rule of Two.

    2.) Did the Jedi Order have many facilities before its alliance with the Galactic Republic? Similar to KOTOR: a training facility on Dantooine, Taris, etc. It would certainly make peacekeeping more universal and easier if you have a facility or headquarters at every corner of the Galaxy.

    3.) Why do the ancient Temples operate through the Force? It's my belief, when the Jedi weren't allied with the Republic and independent, that they were more spread out and 'actually' the Jedi of old.
     
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    1.) I dont think they ever "moved" temples. Coruscant seems like the most heavily populated planet/area within the galaxy so it would make sense that a good chunk of force users were discovered there causing them to establish a sort of "galactic head quarters" on the planet how ever many years ago. Signing their allegiances with the republic probably just help to secure the future of their order, ironically. The look of the tempe on Coruscant was probably simply the natural evolution of the planet and its tech and society.

    2.) I'm pretty sure they did but, like most religions in our cultures, the temples are super ancient and with the way we progressed from thousands of years ago, so did the jedi, which is why the ancient temples arent exactly populated anymore.

    3.) I think they operate through the force because of the imprint that was left on them. As the jedi grew and evolved, they needed to branch out, which caused the older temples to oeprate under the way they were set up back in the day. With the temple in Coruscant, there was much easier access probably because they didn't feel the need for it as the old temple did. They were, as you said, also sworn to the republics so maybe that made them feel a little too safe to require that kind of security and exclusivity.
     
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    Most of the information on this is, for now, old-canon, as far as I know. The Jedi did have a presence on Coruscant from at least 5000 BBY, though they built their temple there after their temple at Ossus was destroyed during the Old Sith Wars . At the same time, they did build more temples and academies around Republic space, like on Dantooine, though Coruscant's temple was always their primary HQ, where the High Council resided.
    I believe Coruscant's temple was much more accessible than e.g. Lothal's because it was built with a mindset of "For the people" rather than "For the Jedi". Thus, it didn't require organics who entered have a strong connection to the Force/Light Side, but it was a center of Jedi training and education as much as one of service to Coruscant citizens.
     
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    The jedi temple on coruscant was built on a dark side force nexus.
     
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    ... and an ancient Sith Shrine Sidius was using.
     
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    Yes, it was built over a Sith dark side nexus and subsequent Sith shrine that was (before the landscape of the city became what you see now) actually a mountain top. If you look at photos of the Jedi Temple, it's hard to believe that based on the surroundings, that it's actually the top of a mountain, and think of how far directly down the city is stacked before one hits actual GROUND....it's an amazing thought.
     
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    Tangential topic but you know the way they open those old temples with the force? Anyone think we might see this happen on Ach-To in VIII? Those behive huts on Skellig would be raised up (through CGI obvs) before Luke and Rey enter one?
     
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    GREAT post. I'm loving thinking about this.

    1. It could have been any time really. The two most likely times that pop into my mind are after the first great schism when jedi first fell to the dark side and were expelled, and after they thought they defeated the Sith 1000 years ago, or it could have been when they signed on to protect the Republic as you speculated. Maybe a battle at their former main temple tainted the planet with dark side energy, I don't know.

    2. My guess would be yes, but maybe just based in a few localized star systems. I don't think they were truly intergalactic until they joined the Republic. Maybe they had regular starships to get around their local area, but I don't think they had the kind of hyperdrive and hyperspace route setup that the Republic has. That also plays into my next answer.

    3. I think the old temples operated by the force because the Jedi weren't very technologically advanced. When they joined the Republic they got access to greater technology and grew to rely on it too much, leading to their distancing from the Jedi part of the Jedi Order. Before they joined the Republic they had to rely on themselves and their abilities, but when they joined the Republic they got began to rely on technology and lost part of themselves. This would play into a common Sci-Fi theme of man's over-reliance on technology and how it comes back to bite us in the glutious maximus.
     
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    Yeah it's sort of like police stations.
     
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    Based on what (little) we know of Luke's search for the first temple, revelations about Ashla and Bogan, the Priestesses, the Mortis Arc, Lothal, the Cave on Dagobah, etc...

    I have this image in my mind that the early temples were places naturally strong in the Force and they became temples because it was easier for Force users to connect at these places. Kind of like the Temple of Delphi, and Churches built on the foundations of pagan temples.

    In other words, it was the special nature of the place that led to the creation of a temple.
     
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    I hope we see another one in this season, I'm sure there is new secrets from the past Ezra & Kanan might need to know.
     
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    I never bought it that the temple on Lothal could be of Jedi origin. These hieroglyphs were already created byRalph McQuarrie in 1995 with a Sith location on Yavin IV in mind:

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    Assuming that the producers do respect the work of Ralph McQuarrie, then it should definitely be a Sith temple on Lothal.

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    Here is another McQuarrie from the same book (Star Wars - The Illustrated Universe), illustrating Monument Plaza on Coruscant with the summit of one of the original mountains in the center. ;)
     
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