THE REALITY OF MEETING YOUR HEROES- LUKE SKYWALKER AND THE GENIUS OF THE LAST JEDI

This is probably the core of what people don't like about the film. This trilogy takes place 30 years later. Our heroes are old now. Obi-Wan in A New Hope isn't the same Obi-Wan we see in Revenge of the Sith. People have spend decades waiting to see Luke again. If a person has spent that time reading a bunch of books I'm not sure how you make them happy. It would have to be some 40ish Luke behaving like a super hero. I'm not sure how that would work with Rey/Finn/Poe.

I wouldn't mind seeing a younger Luke stand alone film or animated series, but Luke's arc in The Last Jedi is great.

 

You summed up what I had in mind all this time. Thank you.

 

It's the point of her character. She wants to embrace the myth. Kylo wants to burn it because it wasn't what he thought it would be (hint...hint.).

 

That's textbook anecdotal evidence.

 

My theatre was mostly quiet too. Maybe a third clapped, no one cheered.

 

Mine audiences laughed. They didn't cheer or clap, but in Poland cheering and clapping isn't done in cinema, like in the rest of Europe.

 

I live in the States and all 4 showings I went to, had laughter and cheering. So....there. That settles it

 

Well, 100% of all MY viewings have had ME in the theater. Therefore, I've been present at every single screening there's been. Refute my logic. I dare you!

 

I've been thinking about this quite a bit this week as I've rewatched the film. All these decades I've waited to see "Luke the superhero" and not really "Luke the man." I do hope that we get see some Luke stories from the old days. I'm sure Lucasfilm will give us stories from that period. The more time I get with The Last Jedi I grow to love what we were given.

 

I think the difference is that we haven't imagined Luke being a hero. We have actually seen him being a hero in the OT.

 

I can only speak for myself, but I have imagined "what Luke did next" for decades. The Last Jedi is a struggle for me at first because I'm burdened with everything I've thought about Luke.

 

I would have been fine with a Luke who struggled, despite that it is a repeat from OT (he struggled there as well and that was his journey). What I cannot get over is that Luke could not return from his failure and achieve something lasting. All of his achievements were taken from him and given to Rey (who does not deserve it for having no struggle and no journey).

 

This is exactly what happens in the movie. After Yoda's visit, Luke moves on past his failure. He returns to save what's left of the Rebellion. The movie ends with him sacrificing himself for the rebellion. At the same time the legend of Luke Skywalker facing down the entire First Order by himself is told throughout the galaxy. The Jedi live on through Rey.

Rey doesn't struggle? She goes to an island to meet Luke and he completely ignores her. When he finally trains her he talks about how the Jedi are vain. The only person who shows her any compassion in Ben Solo. She hopes that he will turn and when the moment comes he tells her the truth she doesn't want to face and he doesn't turn. These are all things Rey struggles with in The Last Jedi.

 

This short projection trick does nothing to me and is in no way a compensation for Luke dying without training a new generaion. He did not even train Rey. I told before, this broom boy thing (or space Jesus) does absolutely nothing to me. Luke died without any schievement and he left no idealogy behind for anyone to follow (even Jesus preached to his followers to leave something behind). Not sure if you get my point, but I would not like to be remembered for a fake image and instead for something I really have done or achieved.

Rey did indeed not struggle in TFA and far less in TLJ. She went so easy through this movie, it was not even funny anymore. Indeed it made her character so boring. I would not count her believing in saving Ben as a real character issue or struggle, it is more the caring treatment how females are portrayed in general.

 

Obviously, I can't speak to your opinions, but like I said Luke is remembered for his stand against the First Order. The scene at the end are children talking about the legend of Luke Skywalker. Luke has restored hope to the galaxy in his final sacrifice as a Jedi. The Jedi ideology will live on through Rey. I understand not liking this story choice, but I don't understand how you're unable to concede this choice. It's clear what Luke has achieved at the end of the film.

It's very obvious you hate the film. I want to know if you're willing to discuss this film or if you're just gonna repeat that you don't like it over and over. Your claim here is a Rey didn't struggle. Do you care to explain how Rey being rejected by Luke isn't a struggle? Rey admitting that her parents aren't special is a struggle. Ben Solo rejecting the Resistance is a struggle. These are challenges for Rey. Can you concede that?

 

@DailyPlunge let us better leave it as agree to disagree, because we both perceived this movie in a completely different way. Also some latest disrespect towards Mark from Rian did prove my point of view sadly and how LFL thinks.

 

If you're just gonna post "I didn't like it" in every thread I'm not sure why you're here other than to spread your misery around. You're not even attempting to discuss the film, your claims, or the topic of the thread.

Also, when did Rian disrespect Mark? Some of the stuff you claim is completely baseless.

 

check the Mark festival thread.

I also tried to discuss the movie and what bothers me, but I fear both sides are running in circles.