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HUMOR The ReyLo theory is dead!! Long live the Renporer!!

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Jedihopper, Dec 16, 2017.

  1. Jedihopper

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    While reactions have been mixed and divisive on TLJ, ranging from "loved it! Best since ESB!" to "Disney raped my childhood", there have been lots of things discussed in the last 48 hours about plot, developments, deaths, reveals, and the story going forward.

    One thing that developed in the film that hasn't had much discussion - the end of the ReyLo theory.

    First things first - there is not a physical expression of love in this film between Rey and Kylo. They do not hold hands, they do not hug, they do not kiss. (and no, the Force Bond scene does not count as an expression of love.)

    Secondly, there is not an expressed verbal love. There is hope. Hope for Kylo to turn good, a statement that Rey will turn bad. But nothing about attraction. Nothing about love. Nothing about heart.

    Even the dialogue used like "Join me." "We can rule the galaxy together." "You will stand with me." is interesting. Not "Stand by my side." Not "I need you."

    I saw the film with 6 different people, some that are strong fans, some that barely watched the other films once, and a few in between.

    Nobody came away with there being any romantic tension between the characters. Just a strong connection - from the Force.

    Whether or not you believe this is due to no romantic connection (because of Family/Force connection) or because there was one and then it gets cut off by Rey is a fun discussion...but at this point, it's over.

    She rejects him. She is the Last Jedi. He is the Supreme Leader.

    The characters are great, the performances were outstanding (particularly Adam Driver, I'm so happy to see where his character went - he gets to be what Anakin always wanted to be - the number 1 guy), and the outcome is perfect:

    We don't have to see our heroine be with a murdering, abusive, tormented dark side user. It would cheapen her character. And his.

    And fan-fic girls everywhere screamed -

    ReyLo is dead!! Long live the Renporer!!
     
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    You missed the bit where Rey got all hot and bothered at shirtless Ren then? And the bit where the “over protective father Luke” caught them in her room together? And the bit where they get up close and personal in the elavtor?

    It’s far from over. It has only just begun. Mark Hamil confirmed the romance and the continuation of that story will occur in IX.

    You Soloists are a real hoot!
     
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  3. Jedihopper

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    THAT is a massive projection.

    She asks him to put a cloak on. I've seen it twice. Her tone is slightly annoyed. There's no hot and bothered there.

    Luke busts in because his evil nephew who has killed his students is connecting with her. There's nothing about him being an over protective father there, except in ReyLos teenage brains.

    In the elevator...nothing is said. No confession of love. No touching even...NOTHING happens. She wants to turn him. He says she'll turn.

    And that's it.

    BUT -

    Even if you wanted to read all those things as potential love...IT STILL doesn't happen, as she rejects him and shuts the door.

    On him as a character, and on this ridiculous fan theory, once and for all.
     
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    Come on Luke caught them Forceskyping in the middle of the night. And Luke tried stopping their true love....just kidding, there was no Reylo in this movie, but quite a force connection.
     
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    You didn’t see it in TFA - it’s no mystery you can’t see it now. You don’t get film convention.

    I’ve never given an absolute definition of ReyLo. Just that there is a connection and an attraction. This played out beautifully in TLJ.

    The fact you still believe her to be a Solo makes you an unreliable film critic and analyst.
     
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    Nope.

    I've said I prefer Solo, but she could be anybody or anything. Doesn't matter. ReyLo is dead.

    But thanks for trying to act like people's fun theories disqualify them from participating in conversation...does that apply to you and your hideous photoshopped romantic novel covers of Rey and Kylo in your avatars? :p:p:p
     
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    Good lord, not everybody against romance is wanting a Solo reveal.

    Wishful thinking, this is Disney. But I'd love too see it go this way or even Rey lop his head and become empress. That would be very interesting.
     
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    I don’t want to interject or hijack your thoughts, but yeah, the definition of the Reylo that you supported was incredibly loose: at times, despite it being a specific shipping term, you stated that you were supporting that they would have a connection that wasn’t necessarily about romance or attraction, whereas other times it was romantic. I think that’s why some (such as myself at times in the past) might be a little confused when talking to you about this.

    I, for one, agree with you, though. Besides the talking in secret and the connection that they would of course make due to their respective isolations, it’s clear that Rey is compassionate about Kylo to some extent or another. Perhaps it wasn’t necessarily romance, but the way it plays out on screen shows an attraction: perhaps it wasn’t even physical (I mean, Rey could have just found it awkward to talk to someone who she considered her arch-nemesis not too long ago when they were shirtless), but emotional (they played to each other’s isolation).

    I don’t think that it will be on the cards to even be hinted as a romance in the future, though, whether or not that was indeed the case in TLJ. Rey might well actively try to turn Ben, but she clearly closes the door (quite literally) on what was proving to be a rather fruitful relationship for both at the end of the film, and so it would be strange to see her go back to him, in my opinion, in any other capacity than as her responsibility as the last Jedi and to maintain/restore peace in the galaxy.
     
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    "Why did you kill your f.... (Wow)... father"

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    Hamill "There's romantic tension between Rey and my naughty nephew"

    TLJ is a set up for ReyBen leading to redemption in Episode 9, the Force Bond is still there at the end.

    There are 2 important dialogues at the end of TLJ for Episode 9:

    Luke to Leia talking about Ben "No one’s ever truly gone" (and he knows it, remember that Luke is the guy who felt that Anakin was still there in the monster Vader)

    Rose to Finn "This is how we are going to win. Not by killing those we hate. But by saving those we love."

    The central theme of the saga is love: Anakin has fallen to the darkside because of his love for Padmé in Episode 3, is saved by his love for his son in Episode 6, Ben will be saved by love in Episode 9, Rey will be the catalyst (Carrie is gone, maternal love won't save him).

    The son of Han and Leia and last Skywalker will not die as a bad guy.

    Remember that JJ Abrams is writing/directing Episode 9, JJ is calling Star Wars "a fairy tale", Rey "Cinderella" and Kylo "a Prince" and that they will have "an interesting relationship moving forward" in the Blu-Rey commentary:

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    JJ is the guy who created the "Reylo thing" by making fairy tales prince and princess tropes and sexual tension in TFA between Kylo and Rey:

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    "Bridal carry":

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    Official poster of the "bridal carry":

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    Hum...

    Professional critic from the Time in December 2015:

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    JJ will finish what he started, there's high chances you will see it in 9.
     
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    Rey solo timeline

    PRE TFA - Totally possible

    POST TFA/PRE TLJ - Highly improbable

    POST TLJ - Absolutely impossible

    She is no more a Solo than I am. It just isn't going to happen.

    There were undertones and imagery that suggested an attraction between Kylo and Rey but they were in the moments where Kylo was reverting back to 'ben'. For me Ben solo is now gone and with it so is Reylo/ReyBen. There's no turning back now.

    Kylo Ren is the big bad of this trilogy, I don't think there is any possibility of redemption for him now.

    Episode IX is going to be awesome.
     
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    The eight pack cannot lie!

    Those magnificent muscles CANNOT LIE!

    It equals romance, and along with some Pride and Prejudice and Kylo/Mr Darcy comparisons and Mark Hamill calling Kylo his "naughty nephew", means Reylo must be CANON.
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    You're forgetting that time travel and magic wishes can still make Rey Solo possible. Shame on you!

    I dunno if redemption 100% out tho. He might still pull a Vader. Though I hope JJ goes for something original.
     
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    Now HuxLo may be possible.
     
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    Actually, lots of people are saying they saw ReyPoe hints at the very end.

    At least they smiled at each other...:D
     
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    Well they introduced and that was a start. So ReyPoe it is
     
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    Insert GIF of Kylo saying “please” with hand out and Rey going for the saber - HERE

    Insert GIF of Kylo reaching for her on Crait and Rey closing the Falcon door - HERE
     
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    F*ck! Magic and time travel! OF COURSE!!! lol

    The originality argument is precisely why I dont think it will happen. I think Rey and Kylo cancel each other out, unstoppable force and immovable object. I think centre stage in resolving the conflict will not go to Kylo or Rey but someone else. I think it was meant to be Leia but obviously that's no longer possible.
     
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    ahem. Force ghost Anakin. (Mic drop)
     
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    They already have erotic asphyxiation.

    Why not Poe and Leia? Poe is apparently new Han... (Can't believe I'm making this joke lol.)

    I think redemption is still on the cards. JJ or KK wants to keep Leia's arc in spirit.
    Insert fact that IX is still a third of the trilogy, and force bond will probably be addressed somehow.

    Not saying it's gonna happen, I'm relaxed about it. But still...
     
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    If Rey is going to end up in a romantic relationship with anyone, I think it’s going to be Poe. My preference is that she doesn’t, or perhaps even that they have something of a romance before Kylo kills him.

    However, the evidence for this turning into a romance stems back to the TFA novelisation, which includes a scene extremely similar to the one we see at the end of The Last Jedi, and even has similar dialogue between the two.

    TFA Novelisation after the map was completed
    Cheers and spontaneous embraces filled the room with so much joy that no one paid attention to who as hugging what representative of whichever species. Rey and Poe were not excluded, though their sudden, tight clinch of shared excitement led to a moment of mutual awkwardness.
    “Uh, hi,” the pilot mumbled. “I’m Poe.”
    She nodded slowly, searching his face and finding that she liked it.
    “I recognise the name. So you’re Poe Dameron, the X-Wing pilot. I’m Rey.”
    I know.” He smiled back, a little more at ease. “Nice to meet you.”

    The Last Jedi again during a victory celebration
    POE: Hi...
    REY: Hi.
    POE: I’m Poe.
    REY: Rey.
    POE: I know.
    [Both smiling]

    It’s just a little odd to me just how similar these two meetings are - almost identical, in fact, but trimmed down for the purpose of the film. Depending on the duration of the time gap between TLJ and IX, I think it’s a realistic possibility.
     
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    The force connection was from snoke, not kylo and rey
     
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