HUMOR The ReyLo theory is dead!! Long live the Renporer!!

That doesn't cover matching up Rey with a dangerous psychotic. Imagine watching a film where a guy tries to kill a girl, multiple times. Then the guy kills his own father for what he thinks will be personal gain. Then he tries to lure her into his evil scheming. Then he tries to have her shot out of the sky. Then he threatens to destroy her.

On what level would that be healthy for them to eventually hook up? What would it take for it to become OK for her to accept him as a lover? "I know you killed the first father-figure (your own father to boot) that came along and showed interest in me. And then my 2nd father figure died to protect me and my friends from you... but it's all good now."

I guess I don't romantic enough to see how that works out.

 

It's explicitly stated that he's unable to locate her with the bond. She can see his surroundings but he can't see hers. If he could sense her presence in a place, he'd have found Ach-To.

See, that's your interpretation vs mine. So it's just as much a toss-up as it ever was. No reason for me to change my opinion at all. I see regret. I see his fist closing around the disappearing dice.

I think until Episode 9's credits roll, there's still a chance for him to turn. Because he's half of the protagonist. Because he's incredibly conflicted still, even after taking control of the FO. Because he's the last Skywalker.
He killed Snoke to save Rey. If he wanted to kill him just to gain power, he'd have tried that a long time ago. If he wanted power for power's sake, why did he ask another powerful Force Sensitive to rule with him?
He killed his own father and it "tore his soul to the bone".

"Healthy"

Leia and Han did not have a healthy romance, and yet it happened.

Anakin and Padme did not have a healthy romance, and yet it happened.

If you're looking to SWs for #relationshipgoals, only god can save you. Good stories don't have to feature healthy behaviour and idealised relationships. In fact, the greatest stories ever told have the exact opposite.

This is a franchise where sons kill fathers and fathers cut off the hands of their sons and torture their daughters. If you're looking for mentally healthy characters, you won't find them here. Anakin, Luke, Han and even Leia all have their own psychological issues.

Ben Solo has been manipulated since birth. Betrayed by his uncle and master. Tortured by his abuser. He's a broken man.

Evidence?

You want evidence of romantic intent?



They slowly and gently stroke fingers by firelight, alone and furtive, while music swells around them.



Personal space? What's that?



He literally makes her stutter. So.

Ya know.

"Evidence"

 

That's why I think TLJ doesn't make sense...
To me the interrogation scene of 7 is not a set up for what I saw in 8.
Just because the "I'll take from you what I want" it's far too much to even conceive a
sane woman do what Rey does in 8.

Not to mention what fallows.

But... RJ's view was different, and Reylos view was/is different.

I can only say, I won't buy a ticket to spare me this atrocity and
to not give a contribution to the box office success of a movie that may go against
everything I believe in.

I'm already sorry I did it with TLJ.

 

I agree with @lealt personally. Its 50/50, except I don't think Poe really has much of a chance. They said Hi to eachother and that's it.

I thought that after TFA with interrogation scene and Kylo killing Han, he offered to teach Rey and she turn him done and even struck him down.

I thought "right, they're never talking to eachother again in a stable way". Then TLJ came along and had force bond and Kylo offering Rey rule of Galaxy after they'd fought together. Considering his mental state and general character direction (as outlined in my post before), he had no reason to want redemption. I think Leia's role in IX would've been to remind Kylo "hey I'm alive!" And him reacting, redemption or not.

So, should I think the same after TLJ as after TFA? THIS time Kylo has done something unforgivable for him and Rey to never talk again?

I don't think so.

She's already turned him down twice (there is thematic and story reasoning here, first time strangers and offer of training, second time force bond and offer of ruling, third time ? Maybe redemption or him desperately offering ruling again.)

Your other objections of "abusive relationship" and whatever are kinda moot after TLJ. Disney and RJ had them getting closer despite those objections.

I'm not saying Reylo is a healthy "ship" or even has a chance of ending happy, imma think its a tragedy all the way personally, but to dismiss the possibility of it happening after TLJ is ignoring everything I've said above.

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Omg! It's my fave too. No idea where they are going with Kylo's character after this. I wouldn't mind full dark tbh.

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Fair enough. I thought close to the same after TFA, but not as far as you.

We were both wrong.

 

I absolutely agree. It blew my mind when it happened.

He seems like he's gonna be a really bad supreme leader tho.

 

Talking is the best evidence IMHO. And the fact Rey spent a good 70% of her movie time with him vs anyone else.

The first around the dice also means regret to me.

Am hoping with time and some hard reasoning/lights sabre fights to take stress out, Kylo can see what an idiot he is being, and how he has been manipulated.

 

J J Abrams was an executive producer on TLJ and Rian wrote the script almost immediately after TFA started filming. So... any set up was approved by J J AND Rian

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Tragic ships are the best ships, imho.

 

He is a dark side user. Upping the ante is his way of trying to deal with all the stress/events of TLJ. The first thing he does is make an offer, a genuine one, to Rey for her to join him. Even if he did gaslight her and yell at her since he doesnt know how to properly human, he wanted her to join him rather than face against him. He did this before issuing any orders, or knocking her out and then taking out rebels before she could defend them. He wanted it to be on her terms, and to give her a chance. Kinda like she did by coming to see him and calling him Ben...

 

They both try to reach out to each other and get pulled apart time and time again. She reaches out first, offering to train her. He rejects his offer and strikes him down. She offers her help and asks him to come back to the resistance. He rejects that. He asks her to rule with him. She rejects that.

One thing is certain. They both want the other to be with them, to stand with them. But they haven't found the balance yet. WHICH IS WHAT THIS TRILOGY IS ABOUT. FINDING THE BALANCE BETWEEN THE DARK AND LIGHT.

 

RENPORER IS SHREDDED!! Some say that killing Snoke gave him an eight-pack

 

Reylo fan are going to wait two years for something that doesn't exist anymore. Just like Finn's fan waiting two years for a fs finn that didn't exist anymore after tfa. Good luck. It's not a fun ride. Gone there did that.

 

If JJ has the balls to give the middle finger to even more fan theories that sucked the life out of me for the last two years, more power to him.

 

Which make things even worst.

 

I'm not waiting for anything is particular tho. I already got what I wanted. An amazing storyline for Kylo. A force bond between Kylo and Rey. And for them to fight together. Even if they never do that again, I'm already a satisfied customer.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Also, am I the only person who enjoyed Finn in this movie? wth?

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I genuinely am sorry you feel that way. It makes me sad to see fellow fans unhappy. I hope episode 9 will make both of us happy.

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Our Snoke theories really did suck, huh?

 

People who didn't think Reylo would happen shrugged and calmly waited two years post TFA for it not to happen, then TLJ force bond came.

Don't equate Reylo waiting with Finn is fs waiting.

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ReyBen Ying and Yang!

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Hear hear. Except for Snoke. I think he's hiding somewhere, probably on a desert planet as a hermit. Jk.

 

I think this is probably one of the biggest issues facing star wars fandom. We now have the ability to "theorise" 24/7. The content is endless on youtube. This creates a set of long held hopes and assumptions (some snoke theories go back all the way to the opening weekend of TFA).

Fandom has too long and is too bombarded with this content now.

I care tenfold about what is shown on the screen compared to what some "youtube theorist" has been clickbaiting for 2 years.

 

I'm partially considering going on a fandom hiatus until mid-2019. This level of toxicity is completely unnecessary in life. Fandom culture went from being a refuge for nerds to this scary mad max universe full of factions and hate. And endless amounts of salt.

 

Yeah people like Mike Zeroh and Game Theory annoy me. The best kinds of "YouTube theorists" tbh are the people who calmly and neutrally explain theories, maybe not creating their own but highlighting good ones, taking the time to set them out so even casual fans can understand them. A great example of this is Alt Shift X, the GOT you tuber. From him I've learned so many new theories and actually understand them, a 100x more than any click bait you tuber could've explained them.

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Welcome to what every fandom eventually devolves into! At least we haven't reached Rick and Morty levels of stupid.

 

The Jane Austen fandom is the exact opposite tbh. It's made up of little old ladies and literature students who'd rather make tea angrily than argue online. It's a blast.