HUMOR The ReyLo theory is dead!! Long live the Renporer!!

Yes yes "- I'd never felt so alone. -You're not alone. -Neither are you." and touching hands. I like that. It's on a good way, it just needs more time.

 

It's a realistic message to have. Sometimes, people are so drowned in the depths of their own hatred that there is no going back. They will grasp it and hold on until the bitter end.

 

I don't disagree he has been manipulated- and I actually feel really sorry for him.

But that shouldn't absolve him of everything. Regardless of how manipulated he was, he has still made choices- choices that have hirt and killed other people. He was given the opportunity to turn by Rey and turned it down.

Some people are giving him a completely free pass. "abusers abuse for a reason" etc.
Yes, he's had a hard time, yes he has issues, yes he's been seriously manipulated, yes he's conflicted. But lot of people in the same situation still wouldnt make the choices to do the things he did.

And this is from someone who really loves his character.

 

i honestly don't think anyone is giving him a free pass.
we're defending his right to dignified and fair treatment.
that's all.

 

Wow. So one incident=he is mentally ill. Great diagnosis.

That scene is explained in canon. It’s implied that Vader’a force ghost spoke to him, but because he became Anakin before he died, it’s really Snoke egging him on.

Well done for putting words in my mouth! I never said his actions were justified, but I dared to have sympathy for him and to understand why he behaves the way he does. Guess that means I think he’s justified and 100% blameless in your eyes. Mental illness isn’t an excuse for bad behavior, and I never said that. It’s an issue inumberable people deal with and they still lead happy fulfilling lives.


“Safe to love” and “absolved of consequence”. Right off the bat I disagree with you. There are things called therapy and treatment in this world, which Kylo has been cut off from thanks to the machinations of an abuser, as well as loved ones who could’ve supported him. He would need to go through a lot for Reylo (if they get together, I echo FN on this point) or any other woman or person to want to be in a romantic relationship with him, and for him to both want (if he wants one) and be ready for the commitment of a relationship.

So I’m sorry I can’t give you an exact timestamp..

I’ll put your last two points in one sweet message.

A romance between Kylo and Rey would be a good message (if it happens in a healthy way after much developmen) in 2017, as it would show people that a mentally ill man who has realised his mistakes and has gotten treatment for his illness (after being cut off from loved ones by an abuser) is worthy of love.

 

that would be solid, if that were the end of the movie. Unfortunately he served her up to be tortured before revealing himself to be beyond redemption after the dance scene with the plastic red vogue fighters. He even told his uncle that he'd destroy her. She seemed to be through with him as she shut the door on their fake force bond. Do not despair. ALL ships are sunk after that movie. Even finn/rose never hit it off with people.

 

I’m most certainly not. I want him to face his issues and past and accept it, what he’s done, who he’s harmed etc and feel remorse.

He’s a human being, and everyone arguing against me on this thread is refusing to accept the fact he is a victim too. I’m not excusing his behavour at all, I’m trying to understand him and feel for him while acknowledging he isn’t a blameless snowflake, and has done terrible things, but he deserves treatment and a chance for love if he wants one.

 

Okay okay, here's the deal. ReyLo is super dead. Here's why:

1. She closed the door. Not only did she close it, she had that look on her face. She was done. When a women gives you that face, not even expensive jewelry can help you.
2. Rey has a super big heart. She knows that Ben Solo couldn't have always been bad and wants to help him. He's also the only other force user she can speak with. She wants to save the troubled son of a man she respected.
3. Snoke bridged their minds. Rey thinks what she is seeing is genuine and real. The movie shows us that Kylo is pretty good at hiding what he's actually thinking now. He did it to her. He did it to Snoke.
4. "Hi I'm Poe Dameron." "Hi I'm Rey" "I know" SWOON Rian Johnson put this at the end right after she rejects Kylo to hit us over the head. ReyLo is DEAD.

 

He's just impulsive, immature.. That will settle down, don't worry. They just need to spend more time together (or at least have more ForceTime chats).

 

i think emotions are running high (i know they are for me).
@TheBBP isn't our enemy (he wants redemption too).
this is a complicated problem and it needs a careful, thoughtful solution.

 

Yeah. Thank you. I apologize if I got too high strung.

I’m going to stay off this thread for a while.

 

if you say so.

 

Enemies lol are people really turning into some kind of battle? Sheeeesh if someone finds something dumb stupid or vulgar that don't mean they want a physical vendetta. It's a mindset not war.

 

I don't care much about any romantic entanglements between these two, but they will face each other again in combat.
I just want Rey to build a blue double-bladed lightsaber between films to fight with, since it would similar to her primary weapon, the staff.

 

Your seriously think the only child of Han and Leia, the guy who represents all the Skywalker family (he has blood from Padmé, Anakin, Leia, Han) will die as a bad guy with no redemption ? You seriously think that the saga will end like this ?

What's the point of introducing this "romantic tension" between Rey and Ben if there's no pay off in 9 ? Love will save Ben at the end.

 

I think we got the payoff in this movie. There was tension and suspense around whether Rey would join Ren or vice versa. Both ended further away than they began.

 

@TheBBP, you can not change the minds of those that adore Kylo Ren, or REYLO purist. Those that are zealots for the FO and Kylo Ren see his cause as just. They justify every action he does whether its evil in the eyes of others. John Campea my favorite film pundit said that REYLO is dead and Kylo Ren is now the main villain or SUPREME LEADER... Kylo Ren is gone, There is no redemption for Kylo Ren.

He states that Luke said to Leia before he confronts Kylo that he can't save him and Leia agrees with Luke. Kylo Ren is lost, he is gone. He can't be saved. I don't hate Kylo Ren i want him to be redeemed but I will never condone what he has done and plans to do.

Rey will not join him unless he changes to the light becomes Ben Solo again. Maybe that will happen in ep.9. But remember, things may not go the way you think. JJ may change the ideas he had developed when directing TFA, nothing is written in stone when it comes to film making, the story may go an entirely different route. He may take that lesson from RJ a filmmaker worth his salt.

Campea rejects Reylo at approximately 43:39 - 44:58, there is no redemption for Kylo Ren, Luke talks to Leia first and says, Kylo Ren is gone and Leia confirms this and says my son is gone... however Campea says, he could be wrong, because in film making anything is possible.

 

You talk about him like he took to drink and drugs full-time and lost his job, maybe robbed a few houses. They guy is a murderer at best. How much counseling would you think that a mass murderer would need before you'd be cool with him dating your daughter?

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I am gonna give this vid a go tonight.

 

After reading this entire thread I just thought I would add my take on the ending of TLJ, when Rey “shuts the door” on Kylo. A lot of people seem to think that was the scene that killed Reylo and I think it did. Rey was closing the door on Kylo Ren. She wants nothing to do wirh Kylo Ren.


That’s because she wants everything to do with Ben Solo. It’s the reason she called him “Ben” throughout the entire film and not “Kylo”. When she closed the door on him, not only was she just disappointed in him, but she was saying “I can’t be with you if you’re Kylo Ren. I can only be with Ben Solo. So you’re going to need to choose between them.” and that’s when she closed the door, leaving Kylo/Ben looking conflicted. But not just conflicted. I saw a bit of “oh no... what have I done?” in his face.

So, I guess in a way Reylo is dead. But not ReyBen (can the tumblr people come up with a better ship name? I mean, come on. Bey sounds like “bae” and is also Beyonce’s nickname. What a perfect ship name for Rey and Ben). I think ReyBen is what we will see in episode 9.


But yeah, that’s just my take on all this stuff.

 

As others have said- if Ben Solo dies unrepentantly evil, then what was the point of this trilogy? What was the point of the whole nine movie saga? That the Skywalkers were either good but beset by failures like Luke and Leia, or mass-murdering psychopaths like Anakin and Ben?

Ben is now the last chance for the Skywalkers to really set the galaxy and the Force on the right path, and to end the decades of conflict. They're going to pull him out of his tailspin, and I don't think his connection with Rey is a completely superfluous coincidence.

What I would really love to see is Ben getting a visit from the Force ghost of his dear old granddad- the one person who could talk sense to him. I doubt that Anakin would advise Ben to keep on with his dark side power trip and ignore his connection to Rey.