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The Rian Johnson Thread

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Viral Hide, Sep 4, 2014.

  1. Bandini

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    This is what human beings do when they are anonymous. I can't pretend I'm surprised ...

    It's terrible but it's not new.
     
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    Huh? Just because bad things happened to someone in the past doesn't mean that there is any justification to them now, as well as there was no justification to do them in the past. You know, the whole "learning from the past" schtick.
     
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    I created a facebook group which is called in french ' The good news place ' ( La page des bonnes nouvelles ), I've been insulted in mp for this so nothing is surprising anymore.

    Some people are just crazy.
    This is Earth 2018 and Internet.
    We actually live in a world where the US president is calling his fellow citizens SoB ... This is where we are ...

    I'm sorry for Kelly but I'm not surprised at all.
     
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    See how easy that is?

    Wait until someone figures out you can start a service for high-profile accounts, where they run a universal block list. If someone has to be blocked by Rainy or poor Kelly Tran, they get blocked by all of Hollywood. I mean, why not?.

    Why complain in unison, when you can simply block in unison? It'll be far more effective.
     
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    I think he is officially done at Lucasarts now. What people don’t get is that anger begets anger, hate begets hate. His reaction might be targeted agains the deplorable people going after Tran, but his actions will be seen by many as attacking fans who critizise his decisions for TLJ. The reason behind the divisiveness.

    When you are selling a product, working in a business, you have to raise yourself above a lot of crap. Attacking back is ultimately bad for business.
     
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    If he's simply blocking people now, wouldn't that be a form of rising above it all? Twitter has that function for a reason. And he said he's blocking assholes, not people who don't like the movie. Just because you don't like something doesn't make you an Peedunky. The way you go about disliking something is what makes you an Peedunky.
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    Didn't realize this board had a filter. Woof.
     
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    We’ll have to agree to disagree. RJ had many, many options. We know JJ, Trevorov, and old Lucas had their own ideas. His choice was deliberate. I think it was important to take down Luke a peg to let newer characters out from his shadow...and to «subvert expectations». That is actually really easy...but replacing it with something better is not. This is where RJ failed.

    Referring to lightsabers as «laser swords» is everything you need to have to discover that RJ had no respect for what came before, for tje legacy. In reality, he was poking fun of SW fans and their expectations.
     
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    Imagine what people like Tom Brady or LeBron James receive on their Twitter ...
     
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    Simply blocking; Yes.

    Posting it and calling people assholes? Not good PR if you want to be seen as a professional.
     
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    I’m not sure what you’re replying to.. you’re listing issues you had with the movie. I asked if there was a movie/story that RJ could have made that wouldn’t have upset a large amount of fans because we all had big expectations.

    I’m not asking if RJ could have made something you like.. I’m asking if he could have pleased everyone.

    :)
     
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    He's an artist, not a lawyer. Maybe he doesn't care about being seen as a professional. Seems like no matter what he does, you'll think he's doing it to troll fans so, he should just keep doing whatever the hell he wants. You and other disgruntled fans will never be happy with him.

    The movie is phenomenal and he and everyone involved made it out of love. If you can't see that then don't watch it. It doesn't belong to you anyway. It doesn't belong to anyone.
     
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    That is impossible, as you yourself have stated and will be obvious.

    Now, making a movie that will please as many SW fans as possible, or at least try to alienate no more than absolutely necessary?
    That should have been the task. And RJ failed doing so...this I think it is fair to admit. The anger and split in fandom are a lot worse then the prequels. They weren’t made to be polarizing, even if some thing were just awful. Due to his previous interviews now uncovered, I’ve come to believe he had no qualms creating it to be divise...ultimately splitting fans and sparking an online civil war.


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    I’m calling it unwise due to his position...and will ultimately be a nail in the coffin that is his future involvement with SW. That should be evident whether you loved or hated the story choices he took for SW.
     
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    I'm sure someone will come along and mow this over with some negativity, but every time I lurk one of these Last Jedi / Rian Johnson arguments it just further reinforces how great the film is and what a smart script Rian Johnson wrote. It also amazes me how many people still don't understand that the conflicted feelings they have about it is by design. Didn't like old man Luke? Yeah, neither did Rey. Hated seeing a non-masculine woman as the Admiral of the fleet? Yeah that probably bothered Poe a bit too. Did it make you mad to learn that there was no great lineage for Rey? Interesting, that's probably how she felt...We were supposed to be challenged by this film and the concepts in it.

    The ST itself is a metaphor about remaking and rebooting Star Wars, and wether or not we should still believe in our legends and myths. Rian Johnson didn't make it about that, JJ Abrams did. Johnson just furthered the concept. The backlash against TLJ and the fact that we are still discussing it with so much passion, just proves how well he hit the nail on the head. If you're still here as a defender of the film OR as a hater against it, you're gonna be in the theaters to see what happens in Episode IX.
     
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    1. Don’t be amazed. Reinforcing your beliefs in your original assumption are the common human reaction to arguments that would try to persuade you otherwise. It is the way (most) humans are wired.

    2. Sure, assume people either are to dumb or bigoted to like it.

    3. I will refrain from pointing out the differences between JJ and RJ...
    Or discuss whether or not a civil war between fans are better then filling up threads envisioning episode IX. There’s no anticipation anymore for quite a lot of people.

    4. Ha, that’s at least one thing we in 1.5 years can show is factually wrong. IX will probably see a further loss of ticket sales then TLJ. (Though beating solo ofc)
     
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    Cool dude
     
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    I think its without question his 'trilogy' isn't getting made. The only question being how it happens. Do they let him do one movie as a redemption, with the possibility of two more? I find it highly likely if they do, it'll be far smaller, on say a $100 million budget.

    Or do they simply cancel the trilogy? Probably 50-50.

    Lol.. I don't think anything he does on Twiiter means much. Its not indicative of any type of decision per his future.

    The question is going to be... if they let him make another movie, can it can be positioned in a way that it will make money? Doesn't have to make a lot, but it can't be a bloodbath like Solo. And right now, his problem is that the Rainy brand is so toxic, a fair amount of people won't see anything he directs, simply because his name on it.

    There is also a certain amount of diving into the mud that is required so people don't see you as a piece of milquetoast to walk all over. If you can't defend yourself, you will not last long, and i'm sure Disney has his back on that front.
     
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    To me Rian Johnson's The Last Jedi script it the best Star Wars script ever. I've probably seen the movie now 20+ times and it's not perfect, but for a Star Wars film is about as good as it gets. I do have issues with this trilogy, but most of those issues are primarily laid on whomever came up with the original concepts of the trilogy. The first film sets up Luke not helping his friends and becoming a hermit. People don't like RJ for going down that route, but that was the hand he was dealt. At the end of TFA we care about Luke, but it obviously Luke has quit caring about the rest of the galaxy.

    The Luke question was always going to be divisive. Which is why JJ simply punts it to the middle film. There are so many little things in Rian Johnson's script that make the film worth watching over and over.
     
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    Wonder how the haters are gonna spin this. "Rian Johnson keeps insulting the fans for politely questioning TLJ!!!". But yeah, this took him long enough.
     
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    "Rian blocks fans for calmly asking him to get cancer! What a horrible human being!"
     
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    It really doesn't matter.
    Lucas basically had a variation of TLJ set to be his number 7; he's the one who went for the idea of a disillusioned and reclusive Luke.

    It wasn't exactly the same, and Luke may have lived through a bit more, but essentially the same thing occurred and he died either way, and he wasn't the focus either way.

    It might have been different people that hated the films, it might not have been, but it would still have been hate spewing out by some number of Star Wars fans regardless what anyone did; even Lucas.

    People can say the hate is worse now, maybe.
    But I think it's worth noting that Lucas quit BECAUSE of the hate that exists in the Star Wars' fanbase.

    "Why would I make any more, when everybody yells at you all the time and says what a terrible person you are?" - George Lucas​

    People can think what they want, and hate whomever they want.
    It seems being an entitled [beep] has always been part of the Star Wars fan behavior; we just can see it now in ways that just wasn't possible before.

    CNN: "Last Jedi" did receive some criticism online, even in the "Star Wars" community...

    Mark Hamill: "Fancy that. Criticism online? Unheard of. We were so lucky there wasn't social media when "Empire Strikes Back" came out. The hand getting cut off, we lost, and dad Vader. In those days you really had to take a lot of effort and sit down and say, "Dear Mr. Hamill, why did you turn Harrison Ford into a coffee table? This is not right." Now, it's wallop and send. It's so easy. Pure hatred can be delivered directly to your home in a nanosecond."​

    Star Wars fans have always been passionate, and for some reason, a portion has always been pretty..."hot".
    And each subsequent time around, so far, there's the comments about how last time, the hate wasn't this bad.

    It's ironic.
    Lucas created Star Wars around a central thought of whether new generations can escape the sins of their previous generations, or whether or not they are stuck repeating the same cycle.

    Cheers,
    Jayson
     
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