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The Rise of Skywalker Editor Maryann Brandon Answers Lingering Questions About the Film

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by SWNN Probe, Jan 3, 2020.

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    Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker had the tricky task of ending a forty-two year saga, incorporating a lot of characters, but remaining devoted to the core four characters of Rey, Finn, Poe, and Kylo Ren. Oh yeah, and the reintroduction of the most evil entity in franchise history, Sheev Palpatine. The film's editor Maryann Brandon addresses several lingering questions coming out of the film in an interview with Huffington Post, and why certain decisions were made in the final edit.






    <p style='text-align: left;']The decision to have Rey and Ben Solo kiss</p>


    I appreciate Brandon's answer. Since the movie's release there is a portion of fans who supported a romance that rejected this moment because it was limited to only this. They wanted everything, with Ben and Rey alive and ending up together, happily ever after (and perhaps for some, even an epilogue showing children like Hera in Rebels). There is also portion of fans who were angered by the kiss for a different reason, because they saw Kylo Ren as an abuser and tormenter, one who captured Rey, manipulated her, threw her into a tree nearly killing her, and blamed Snoke's murder on her to Hux, the General of the First Order. Then there are fans who were indifferent about it, and maybe felt it was a bit out of place, unexpected, or even forced.



    At face value, I think the kiss may have actually caused more harm than good and Abrams should have made a hard-line choice, go all in, or nothing at all. I think the compromise caused more complaints, the opposite of its intention - not to me personally, but those impassioned on either side of the fence about these two having/not having a romantic connection.



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    <p style='text-align: left;']Why did Kylo Ren/Ben Solo die?</p>


    This was the least shocking part of the film to me. I saw no version in which Kylo Ren/Ben Solo survives and didn't face trial for being a part of a genocidal organization, unless he had to go hide in the woods in an exile of anonymity like Dexter. Ben's final act of redemption was sacrificing his life to put life back into Rey, a sacrifice which felt much different than Anakin's, which was good enough for me. I love the character of Rey, so seeing Ben Solo use whatever he had left in him to save her was the most heroic act the character could have done. By saving her, he also saved the Jedi and the future of the galaxy, which will always need guardians of peace and justice.



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    <p style='text-align: left;']How much (or how little) they explained how Palpatine returned</p>


    I never go into Star Wars movies demanding explanations for everything. I don't care where Yoda is from, what his species name is, and I don't care how Palpatine returned. Palpatine's entire motivation from the prequels was to achieve immortality and figure out the secret to cheat death. The fact that Palpatine figured out how to have his entity, his spirit, survive beyond his body which Darth Vader/Anakin destroyed, serves as no surprise to me, and frankly the more I think about The Rise of Skywalker, it makes sense for the most evil villain in the saga to return for the final fight. Also, not for nothing, but Snoke's death left Abrams with four options: bring back Palpatine, introduce a new main villain, have Kylo Ren go full dark and be the ultimate villain, or try to sell us on First Order Generals being the main bad guys. I think Abrams took what options he had and ultimately made the best decision to serve the story. We also recently learned that bringing Palpatine back was also of very high interest to Lucasfilm President Kathleen Kennedy.


    <p style='text-align: center;']'To cheat death is a power only one has achieved, but together we can discover the secret.' </p>


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    Side note: pretty cool that lightsaber laying beside Anakin in that photo as he takes a vow to become Darth Vader is part of what will eventually be used by Rey to destroy Palpatine with his own powers. Speaking of which...


    <p style='text-align: left;']How did Palpatine lose?</p>

    <p style='text-align: left;']That's exactly how I took it, so I am completely satisfied to hear this explanation.</p>



    <p style='text-align: left;']The Decision to retroactively make Snoke a clone</p>


    Rian Johnson killed Snoke, which again left Abrams with a choice of really only two options, have Kylo Ren remain the main villain or bring back Palpatine. Nobody is buying Hux or a new General as the overarching big bad, and introducing a new villain this late in the game would have fallen flat and felt really strange. Abrams made the choice to sweep Snoke away as quickly as possible in the first minutes of the movie, and it was the smart move. You eliminate the looming shadow of Snoke to shift our focus on to Palpatine, and he did. Was it weird hearing Snoke was a clone? Very. Was it cool hearing Palpatine had manipulated Kylo Ren with the voices? Very much. Will Lucasfilm Story Group need to earn their keep in making Snoke make sense in books and comics. Big time.



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    <p style='text-align: left;']Rose Tico's screen time:</p>


    A hot button issue in fandom, perhaps more than the Ben/Rey romance, is Rose Tico's screen time. Why wasn't Rose in the movie more? I don't say this to upset anyone, but Abrams made the right decision in my opinion -  if you view the movie from the lens that his focus from when he started this story was on four main characters: Rey, Finn, Poe, and Kylo Ren. If you look at the screen time for every character in the movie, that's exactly what happened, and I thought the relationship between Rey, Finn, and Poe was the best part of the movie. Every character outside of these four, Chewie, and C-3PO had six minutes or less screen time in the film.



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    I think Rose had a wonderful role in The Last Jedi, serving as a great supporting character to help Finn's character development. Her optimism, faith, and hope shined and pushed Finn to where he needed to end up. We flash forward a year later, Finn now fully realized, Rose doesn't have the same story-serving role that she did in Episode VIII. And while that sounds harsh, it's the reality of J.J. Abrams wanting to appropriately finish the stories of the characters he created. I do think the outrage over her screen time is a bit overstated, considering Rose has more screen time in this trilogy than Lando Calrissian had in the original trilogy, as one example. Even Palpatine, the film's primary villain was only on screen for five minutes in The Rise of Skywalker (just trying to apply some rational historic and recent perspective).




    <p style='text-align: left;']Lando and Jannah</p>


    Again, I saw this how they intended, hinting at the strong possibility that Lando was her father. It is very on-the-nose and makes the galaxy smaller, but we're also talking about the same franchise that had the two heroes of the first movie turn out to be twins and the offspring of the villain. I thought this was an endearing moment, and I am curious what Lucasfilm Story Group ultimately decides to do with it.



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    <p style='text-align: left;']Why No Finn/Poe Romance?</p>


    So this is interesting to me, as in post-release interviews Oscar Isaac seems visibly and verbally annoyed that nothing came of this, though his words seem to be pointed at Disney, not Abrams. Isaac praised Abrams throughout the entire production process, and if you recall, early on he was really the only reperesentative from the set talking about how great it was making Episode IX.



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    I don't know if we'll ever know if a Finn/Poe relationship was ever discussed by J.J. and the actors, or what, but it's something that I am interested to learn more about, simply because there seems to be a lot of cloudiness over the situation, as none of the dots are connecting, especially after hearing the film's editor (who also edited The Force Awakens by the way) revealing she was unaware of this prospect until now. That could be her covering, but I am not that cynical.



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    So there you have it, some clarification/answers from Maryann Brandon, the editor of The Rise of Skywalker, on some of the biggest questions lingering coming out of the movie. Please keep in mind that my editorialized reaction to each answer and situation is solely how I view them, and I fully appreciate we all have different points of view on all of these questions and answers.



    SOURCE: HuffingtonPost UK





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    Good read especially after the Twitter discussion I just had. I dont think the kiss is as controversial as it is made out to be, what is controversial is that Rey and Ben arent given a mortal happily ever after. I never realized how much the Reylo community expected this. They feel that Ben should have been cleared of charges and just allowed to come back to the galaxy and live a normal life.

    To me the romantic relationship between Rey and Ben was pretty darn clear, but it was a tragic romance.
     
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    I appreciate the info, but I also feel like they neglected what is seemingly the most obvious and frequently asked question about this movie. What did Finn want to tell Rey? I know there are plenty of theories and speculation, but I don't think there is a definitive answer.
     
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    The definite answer is that Finn wanted to tell Rey he is FS. This is confirmed by JJ himself.
     
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    JJ said Finn was going to tell Rey he was Force sensitive.
     
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    I thought it was one of the most obvious things in the movie. He believed he was force sensitive.
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    So just had another person make a point that they say allowed a HEA to be believable. The person said

    "Lando committed a terrible atrocity in The Empire Strikes Back when he sold out his best friend Han Solo and Han's lover Leia to the galaxy's most fearsome figure, Darth Vader. Yet in Return of the Jedi he's hugging Han in the final scene."

    Really equating Lando's act in ESB with Ben/Kylo acts.
     
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    Got to have the kiss. The kiss is the most personally intimate seal of the connection. The connection is always moving toward that seal. You can't culminate the story without culminating the connection. But she didn't kiss Kylo Ren she kissed Ben Solo. Kylo Ren died back on the wreckage of the Death Star. It's apt that in TLJ Kylo said to Rey about the past "Kill it you have to" and in TROS, she did that - and she did it while standing on the wreckage of the past.
     
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    I've been thinking about that kiss. To me it was only a goodbye kiss. The romance was always left in the air, specially in TLJ. And I'm glad that the romance was no exploited in the films.
     
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    "I get sick and tired of being accused of betraying Han Solo. When you are in a situation, especially when you are up against someone like a Darth Vader, he had to figure something out. I had to figure out how to prevent the complete demise of my friends and his friends. By the way, did anybody die? Nobody died. Nobody died.” - Billy Dee Williams

    I think he did a pretty good job. He was responsible for a lot of people.
     
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    That was no goodbye kiss.
     
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    Great post! You could also argue that Rey was trying to "save what she loved" in equal measure-- a balance of the two!
     
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    It's also obvious within the movie.
     
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    Not really. I asked people in my immediate surroundings and they all thought Finn wanted to confess his love to Rey. IMO this would have been much more in-character.
     
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    I thought it was a love confession on my first viewing, too. And I think his Force potential does become obvious on a second viewing, but it's still not clear that's what he wants to tell Rey. I mean, why be coy about that?
     
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    Not every person who sees a movie is going to pick up on every detail of said movie, even those details that are obviously and intentionally laid out, so the fact that you can find people who didn't understand that Finn wanted to tell Rey that he was Force-sensitive doesn't change the fact that the film went out of its way to make it crystal-clear that he was Force-sensitive and wanted to share that fact with her.
     
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    There is a bit where Finn calls out that he senses Kylo Ren’s presence.
     
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    Oh yeah that's a great point! Excellent complimentary insight.
     
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