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The Rise of Skywalker: First Spoiler Free Reactions

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by SWNN Probe, Dec 17, 2019.

  1. FotisKaragian

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    Now that you are mentioning it, I have to say that this is the only film in the trilogy that I lovedFinn! They stopped making him a comic relief and he really showed his true potential! Also congrats to Kelly Tran who had to overcome all the negativity surrounding her and gave a short, yet solid performance...

    In general, whether someones likes the movie or not, we have to agree that actingwise this is on a very high level and one of the best Star Wars films!
     
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    TLJ tried to elevate the series and presented us with more adult themes.

    I really had hoped it would continue into this film, with the conflict just between Kylo/Ben and Rey. That is what killing Snoke has set up, and I thought it was a great idea.

    Instead J.J. threw away everything good about the sequel trilogy and gave us virtually every geek theory ever thought up.

    I actually found myself laughing at some scenes as they were so bad.
     
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  3. FotisKaragian

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    I understand what you say, but imo Star Wars has always been more on TROS's side, rathen than TLJ's... It can't become too serious...
     
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    Star wars is a sci fi version of Indian Jones, Superman, Die Hard etc. It is nothing more than that.

    It is supposed to be fun. That is where Rian Johnson went hopelessly wrong.

    You know those of us beyond the age of forty/fifty like to be kids as well. Last night when I watched it I was a kid again.

    If I want 'adult themes' I can watch other films/sci fi movies.

    Sometimes we just need to sit back, smile and enjoy the ride.
     
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    I'd be lying if I said it blew me away.
    I mean, there are positives - I guess it looks good, and it rattles along at a decent pace - but the story just doesn't cut it for me, sorry.

    Frustratingly, while all three of the sequels have succeeded in addressing the flaws of the prequels by bringing character and emotions to the fore, the actual story has bobbed around rather aimlessly, leaving the final installment to stack absurdity upon absurdity to bring this to any kind of conclusion.

    It's better than TLJ, but below the prequels, for me. They tried, and they made three flashy, modern-looking sci-fi/fantasy movies which stand on their own merits in a world of flashy-looking sci-fi/fantasy movies.
    But as part of a whole, and as a continuation of the six-part Star Wars saga that came before, something is just sadly lacking....
     
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    That I agree with.

    Maybe adult was the wrong word, I really mean classic, I think.

    ANH and ESB are just brilliant, classic action films, they just happen to be set in space. The stories are quite human, it’s a classic good vs evil, with a bit of twist.

    It is what the prequels lacked, all galactic politics, kooky force mythology etc. It didn’t really address the human side to Anakin’s fall to the dark side.

    TFA returned to the original concept of ANH (maybe a little too much) but it was a great adventure film. The one mystery piece was Snoke and that got the fan boys all sticky

    TLJ I thought did a great job of stripping the story back so the big central story was just about Kylo/Ben and Rey. It handled Luke’s return perfectly (IMHO) and had the emotional depth of ESB. Some elements of the film didn’t work for me (the peripheral plot was too thin and some of the humour grated) but I thought it did it’s job in setting up a great finale.

    Maybe it’s my fault, maybe I was expecting too much, maybe I am not a proper Star Wars fan, I don’t know.

    But that film was a huge disappointment for me, in much the same was as the prequels.

    When ever I come across ANH, ESB, ROTJ or TFA on TV I always find myself watching them, even if I am only catching the last 10 minutes.

    TROS will never do that to me I think. I will just roll my eyes and switch over.
     
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    Never say that. However you feel, whatever you like - you ARE a fan and don't let anyone tell you any different.
     
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    That doesn't exist.

    This universe is too big. Too many movies, series, books, comics, games, etc...

    As I said before: You can choose what makes you happy, the things you love in the franchise. And ignore the things you hate.
     
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    Yes it is your fault, you are not a proper SW fan get outta here!! :D

    Seriously, if you know something "a proper SW fan", please show him to me! As I have said many times, people like different things about Star Wars. Some like lightsaber battles, some like spaceship battles, some like it's meanings and teachings, some like the mandalorians, the bounty hunters, some like the Jedi, some like the Sith... You can't find something that pleases everyone...
     
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    I saw it yesterday evening and give it a 5 out of 10. As a standalone, Star Wars popcorn flick, yes it is enjoyable. However, this movie is ending the Sequel Trilogy AND the Skywalker Saga. And I think it did a poor job at doing both...
     
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    Unfortunately, I describe this installment as a disjointed, hot mess. I think it makes the whole ST weaker. The whole story came out of right field. Explanations for Snoke, Rey, Paply’s return felt rushed, undeveloped, and extremely random. There are a variety of strange plot devices.
    The Ben-demption is half-baked and ends jarringly. It seems like they didn’t have any good ideas for how to eliminate Palpy.
    To me, this movie diminished the value of TFA and especially TLJ. Considering how bloated TROS is, it looks like their piecemeal creation of the ST was a huge mistake.
     
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    They should have let J.J. direct the entire trilogy. TROS was really two films crammed into one, trying to be what TLJ should have been, plus the end of the trilogy. TLJ blast all over TFA, and TROS blast on TLJ in return.

    Thinking back to 2015-2016 when people speculated that Rey was a Palpatine, I thought it was a terrible idea, but it was handled well. The end struggle was a bit anti-climactic though.

    My only real gripe is with the pacing, but that comes with J.J. trying to clean up the mess Rian left him.

    Overall the film was good, and really stirred up some emotions in me. I will be seeing it in theaters again.
     
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    A reminder to all that this is a SPOILER-FREE fan reaction thread.

    If you are going to discuss certain plot elements, find a thread with the red SPOILER prefix in the title or be sure to utilize the spoiler feature here in your posts. Note that this thread does not have the Spoiler prefix, which means you need to utilize the spoiler tags. If you're not sure if it's a spoiler or not, play it safe and tag it.

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    m/m
     
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    I saw it last night, and my expectations were really low going in because I had allowed myself to read some of the non-spoiler reviews and some of the tweets. Was pleasantly surprised and really enjoyed it. I thought they did an amazing job with the Leia inserts and how that was handled. Thinking back on it, there wasn't a slow part in the movie. I easily think it is the best of the ST (by far).
     
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    This may be a chicken and the egg problem....I have seen a lot of TLJ fans angry that JJ seemingly ignored TLJ, but isn't it fair to also suggest that TLJ ignored TFA? This is the problem with not mapping out the trilogy before production.
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    Seeing this tomorrow. Question for fans who weren't happy with certain ways Luke's arc was handled in TLJ:

    Did you like Luke's role in TROS? Did he seem more like "old Luke"?
     
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    Yes
     
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    Ya know who's a kid? My kid. Ya know who loves TLJ? Also my kid.
     
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    I GENERALLY feel that Abrams built off Last Jedi but did so in his wheelhouse which isn't Johnson's as far as the movie goes.

    What can be better argued is philosophically Abrams would not or could not follow and did retreat to familiar corners.

    The two in one factor isn't a slight but rather Johnson's "fault" because he absolutely did not set up a conducive environment for a one movie conclusion which should have been fine but there was much stubborn dedication to the trilogy format which put Abrams into a place where he had to build some things in order to (wrongheadedly imo) wrap things up in one film.

    In retrospect I think both JJ and Rian were the right choices but in a ying and yang way so they needed to be forced into a room to hammer out the whole thing that would be at least four films alternating between director and producer.

    Still, for my money we are doing very well as it is.
     
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    In response to certain posts in this thread (and this is not out of context because it plays directly into the argument that some are making that TROS "ignores" or does a "disservice" to TLJ, which I can't confirm or deny because I haven't seen it yet...but the claim seems dubious):

    I just don't understand how anyone could ever think that TLJ "ignored" or did *any* kind of disservice to TFA, and I don't think I ever will. Everything TLJ did made sense in the context of the story TFA laid out. It might have not been *expected.* But that does not mean it *ignored* or actively did not make sense in light of TFA. It is completely understandable that Luke could be disillusioned/gruff after everything that happened to him/that he felt responsible for (a story element that George actually created, and JJ knew or should have known about). Completely understandable and believable that Luke could sense the growing darkness in Ben. Completely understandable that to save those he loved or was responsible for, that he'd feel tempted to kill Ben. Completely understandable and believable that Rey could be "a nobody," and that this didn't matter for her journey. Completely understandable that Ben would turn on Snoke, only to then seize power for himself. Completely believable that Snoke is a pawn or a patsy or pretender to the throne. Completely believable that a huge starship couldn't catch up with smaller ones and would have to "slow" speed chase them. Completely understandable/believable that after using such an immense, never before seen power of Force Projecting to "defeat" a powerful foe like his Padawan Ben, that an aged Luke would pass away from the stress it caused. All of that makes absolute sense in the Star Wars universe as we know it. What people *really* mean when they say TLJ "ignored" TFA or that it "didn't make sense" is that they didn't *like* the story path chosen or that it ran counter to what they had set up in their minds as to how the story should go. That's it. That's all. Pretending otherwise does a disservice to Star Wars fandom. And the argument that TLJ did not set up a story for TROS is equally ludicrous. After TLJ, we *still* have the question of "who is Rey, REALLY?" because we've only been told the answer by a very untrustworthy source in Ben, who in that moment was trying to *sway Rey to the dark side* (can't believe I actually have to spell that out). We *still* have the question of who Snoke is, where he came from, what were his motivations. We *still* have the question of what happened to Luke. We *still* have the question of if Ben went to the Unknown Regions, what the Unknown Regions are, what was there, etc. We *still* had the opportunity to re-introduce Sheev if that was desired, even with all these other questions. The story *still* could be told of who the Knights of Ren are. We *still* had all the new, expanded lore of the Prime Jedi, the first Jedi texts, how Anakin's story plays into Rey and Ben's. And we *still* had the ability to have a showdown between Ben and Rey at the end. ALL of this *still* could have been told post-TLJ, and TLJ's story undercuts approximately NONE of this. To say otherwise is evidence of a serious lack of imagination.
     
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