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The Rise of Skywalker - Voices of the Jedi (Spoilers)

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by SWNN Probe, Dec 23, 2019.

  1. SWNN Probe

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    Rey begins The Rise of Skywalker with a simple plea to the generations of Jedi who came before her; 'Be with me.' If you want to know who answered her call then read on. Needless to say that major spoilers for The Rise of Skywalker follow so please proceed only if you've already seen the film or don't mind knowing what happens.





    At the climax of the Skywalker saga, Rey lies on the floor of Exegol. Palpatine has been rejuvenated and is unleashing his full power on the Resistance fleet in the skies above the ancient Sith world. And Ben Solo, the last Skywalker, has been cast down a seemingly bottomless chasm, Palpatine's revenge for the death Anakin Skywalker inflicted on him decades earlier.



    As she steals herself for a last stand, Rey repeats her earlier mantra, 'Be with me.'



    What follows is a moment that seeks to bring together not only the three trilogies of the Skywalker Saga, but all of Star Wars as the Jedi give Rey the strength she needs to take on the living embodiment of the Sith.



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    The first voice we hear is Ewan McGregor's Obi-Wan Kenobi. It's a fitting call back to the start of Rey's Jedi journey, to her vision in The Force Awakens when McGregor's voice told her that these were her first steps.



    Rey's name is then repeated, almost as a revered whisper, by Hayden Christensen's Anakin Skywalker, Ashley Eckstein's Ahsoka Tano, and Freddie Prinze Jr.'s Kanan Jarrus. It's a moment that brings together the Skywalker saga, The Clone Wars, and Rebels. It also raises the question - is Ahsoka dead? All the other voices belong to Jedi who we know have become one with the Force, so that certainly seems to be the implication. The last time we saw Ahsoka she was alive and preparing to search for Ezra with Sabine, but that was 31 years ago. A story for another time as Maz might say.



    The next voice we hear belongs to Anakin Skywalker, the Chosen One who killed Palpatine the first time:

    I believe Ahsoka comes next, telling the young heroine to 'find the light.' This is supported by Vanity Fair's article on the Jedi voices, but I have seen some say this line belongs to Olivia D'Abo's Luminara Unduli (who Vanity Fair note is credited as one of the Jedi voices but they could not place her line).



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    Rey's journey has been about finding her family. She had already done that with the Resistance before she learnt the truth of her bloodline, but the familiar voice of Frank Oz's Yoda reminds her 'Alone, never have you been.' Liam Neeson's Qui-Gon Jinn reaffirms this, telling the former scavenger 'Every Jedi who ever lived, lives in you.'



    Anakin again - 'The Force surrounds you Rey.'



    This is followed by more voices from The Clone Wars as Jennifer Hale's Aayla Secura tells her 'Let it guide you, as it guided us,' before Samuel L. Jackson's Mace Windu says 'Feel the Force flowing through you, Rey.'



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    As she prepares to stand, Anakin's voice tells her, 'Let it lift you.' Angelique Perrin's Adi Gallia adds her voice, 'Rise Rey,' as the chorus of Jedi voices grows faster.



    'We stand behind you, Rey.' Qui-Gon tells her.



    Then we hear the distinctive voice of Alec Guinness' Obi-Wan utter a single word; 'Rey.'



    'Rise in the Force,' Yoda says, before Kanan tells Rey that 'In the heart of a Jedi lies her strength.'



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    At this point, Rey has struggled to her feet, and the voices begin to repeat 'Rise', before one final voice speaks to her.

    It is, of course, Luke Skywalker. It feels fitting that this iconic line is Mark Hamill's last in the saga.



    With Palpatine's final defeat, The Rise of Skywalker brings the ancient war between Jedi and Sith to a close. Whilst I do wish we could have seen some of the Jedi rather than just heard their voices (especially Anakin), I have to admit that Abrams and Terrio went further than I expected in trying to bring things together. I never imagined we'd get voices from The Clone Wars and Rebels in the saga's final chapter, or that they'd bring back so many other voices from the previous trilogies.



    With a new Jedi Order now once again on the horizon, hopefully this isn't the last time we'll hear from these old friends.



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    Oh my...I missed all these voices when I was watching the movie? I must be deaf!
     
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    Had we seen the Jedi ghosts with Rey it would have a felt too much like Harry Potter's face off with Voldemort in the Forbidden Forest at the end of Deathly Hallows 1, or previously, as in Goblet of Fire don't you think?
     
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    It hitted me more than I thought !

    It was nice to hear Ahsoka.
     
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    This is not necessarily the case. We know from OT films that Luke & Leia could communicate telepathically, as did Luke & Vader. I Imagine that Ahsoka sits meditating somewhere, sending encouraging words and lending inner strenght to Rey accross the ether :)
     
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    I've been seeing a lot of people 'ding' the movie for not having these past Jedi show up as physical Force Ghosts, but there is absolutely no legitimate narrative reason for that to have happened.
     
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    To me if they had all shown up it would have been a distraction. I only wish Anakin had. But no big deal really.
     
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    ^ Even Anakin showing up as a physical Ghost wouldn't have made sense given the context of the scene.
     
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    I didn't say anything about him being in THAT scene.
     
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    Anakin appearing as a physical Ghost would not have made sense within the context of the film's narrative no matter where you put such an appearance.
     
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    Me too, :(.
    I found it interesting the first thing my daughter did after the movie was look up what Jedi voices there were in that scene, specifically looking for Ashoka's voice. When I told her that Ashoka's voice being in that scene might mean she had died, it was sad see her face fall. But that just speaks volumes as how popular Ashoka is, not to mention that Ashley Eckstein is awesome all on her own.
     
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    Only, in your opinion. It would've made sense to me, imo
     
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    Where would you have wanted him to appear?
     
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    Oh my! I'm glad that none of these jedi appeared as a forceghost.
     
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    I know there is already another season of The Clone Wars on the way, but I really want more of Rebels as well. I need to know what happened to Ezra, Sabine, and Ahsoka. (Jacen Syndulla too!)
     
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    I thought it was established canon that at the conclusion of ROTS, only Qui-Gon had learned how to retain consciousness after death, but had not fully mastered the technique and therefore did not vanish upon death, took 10 years to communicate from beyond the grave, and even then only as a disembodied voice rather than a Force Ghost. He then taught it to Obi-Wan and Yoda who had the time during their long exile to fully master the technique. Anakin is an unexplained exception with the consensus involving Chosen One / high midichlorian count / will of the Force.

    I can accept that Obi-Wan and/or Yoda taught this to Luke, or that he learned it elsewhere during his travels and studies. The idea that Luke taught it to Leia seems farfetched, given that she chose not to complete her training, but I suppose you could stretch it that far. Maybe you can even assume he taught it to all his students, explaining how Ben knew about it.

    The other PT era and Rebels era voices though... this feels like an outright continuity error, not even 5 years after Disney stated their intent to maintain a comprehensive continuity across all media. Yet I'm not seeing any outcry on this, so maybe I've been misunderstanding the Force Ghost lore all along.
     
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    Only Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, Yoda, Anakin, and Luke are the force ghosts in that scene. Yes, force ghosting allows you to retain your consciousness within the netherworld of the force after death, however it is not the only way to return. It is just the only permanent way.
    Rebels season 2 has a force vision within the Lothal Jedi temple, in which the Grand Inquisitor returns. He duels Kanan and imparts advice onto him before returning to the void. Now this could be dismissed as the force merely taking on his form for this task, but I doubt that, as he'd already become one with the cosmic. This is the closest example.

    However, Kanan and the Daughter also take on animal forms after their death. Another way your spirit can return to the world of the living.

    Also, the whole Han return is left ambiguous in TROS. Is it just a visual depiction of self-reflection, or a force vision drawing upon his mind?
     
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    Watch Clone Wars: Season 6, Episodes 11 thru 13 explains the "Force Ghost" training in more detail.
     
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    There's a lot of wisdom from over a thousand generations and still not all is known about the Force. The mysteries are infinite because we are curious creatures and there are always more questions to ask. I have no problem with something regarding the Force that I don't quite understand or doesn't seem to make sense. In fact, I'd go so far as to say it would be disappointing if everything followed a strict set of rules and nothing unpredictable ever happened.
     
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