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SPOILER The Rogue One team gave the Rebelion a smack in the face.

Discussion in 'Rogue One' started by Amanaman, Dec 16, 2016.

  1. Amanaman

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    After having seem RO, I have to say that the movie was awesome. There are just so many things I loved but there is one important point that I would like to talk about and this is the way the RO movie made an excellent transition from the way things were in the time of the PT to the time of the OT.

    When we see Jyn in the Rebel base in Yavin, we can clearly see how Mon Mothma and the other Rebel leaders had the mindset of the Republic days. Here they were debating this and that like when they were in the senate without giving it much thought that they were now rebel leaders. It was here where Jyn and the team gave the Rebels what I call a slap in the face or as others may put it a nasty wake up call. If you are going to call yourselves rebels, you can't go on thinking like those old senate days and you have to be ready to get your hands real dirty. There are going to be times when you have to take action without time to debate every single aspect of an operation and much of this will have to be on a in your face approach.

    This may sound funny, but what happened there in Yavin made me think back on Anakins words when he told Padme that it would be best to choose a strong wise leader who could get things done instead of letting others debate it in a time consuming manner. While this fit Palpatine very well in his ruse to form a dictatorship, I think it was something that Mon Mothma, Bail and many other Rebel leaders had to take to heart as well after seeing the actions of the RO team.
     
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    Good point! But one must also keep mind that there is no 'I' in team. A dictatorship is definitely not the way to go. Anakin fell to the darkside due to his own selfish needs to save Padme. Jyn roused up those with good intention for a much needed cause. Therefore Jyn gave a the rebellion a good smackdown for the right reasons. Anywho, may the force be with us...
     
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    It makes a lot of sense, and gives us a great understanding on why things are as we knew during the OT. And it ties a lot with the ST on how things get with the New Republic, and why some people wishes they had a strong Centrist leader rather than taking each system and planet into account.
     
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  4. Amanaman

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    Yeah I understand and I don't mean that the Rebels needed a dictator a la Sheev but they did need a strong leader who could call the shots when everyone was to busy making up their mind like when they were in the senate. Something like ''Look dudes, the bad guys are coming at us with a planet killing weapon'' is not something to take your time debating about as the RO team showed everybody.
     
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    "we don't have time to discuss this in a committee!" where is han when you need him? ;)
     
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    ...and the empire slapped right back ;) :p
     
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    They sure did, they proved that action against tryanny was the only way for the rebellion to be noticed.
     
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    I absolutely loved how the Rebellion was depicted as being rather hesitant and fractured in this film. Here we see a relatively well funded, though certainly fledgling, Rebellion at its most vulnerable.

    They haven't acted much yet, and seem often hesitant to do so. Saw, an infamous guerilla fighter, is basically disassociated from them for his tactics. Mothma's Rebellion is honestly one that borders on organized civil disobedience rather than martial prowess, and you can tell that she's trying to cling to that.

    Even with Cassian's mission- his target is apparently to kill Galen Erso, effectively a Rebel sympathizer, by sniping him. He could have easily taken out Krennic as well, but he didn't, because Erso was his target, and he wasn't trying to cause utter chaos in the Empire, just trying to fulfill the mission with as few casualties as possible.
    Of course, the Rebel commander (I don't remember his name at the moment) orders a bombing run on Eadu and effectively causes a more characteristically "Rebel" chaos, further showing how fractured command is.



    In the end, I have to wonder how Rogue One worked out for the Rebellion. The planetary shield on Scarif was closed due to both the attack on the beach and the arrival of the Rebel fleet in space. It's arguable that if the Rebel fleet hadn't gone to Scarif, the planetary shield would have remained open and Jyn could've more easily beamed the plans off planet. Again, not guaranteed, but it's possible. If that had happened, the Rebels would have had a much larger fleet around the time of A New Hope, seeing as Vader absolutely wrecks what they have in the end.

    Which brings me to an interesting final point. At the end of Rogue One, we have a Rebel Alliance who has tasted blood. They're beaten, they're bloodied, and their fleet is in shambles. But they hold the Death Star plans (sort of), and they're ready for war. They're not going to sit around and deliberate on what to do anymore- they know what must be done. So, even with remnant of their small fleet, they're basically a cornered beast, and that's the most dangerous kind.


    Of course, Luke takes the Death Star plans directly to the Death Star for a little bit, because he's kind of a dingus sometimes, but that's another story.
     
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    I agree with you. The Rebels needed a wake up call. I was under the impression from ANH that the Rebels were a much bigger threat to the Empire than what it appears. From RO it leads me to believe they were not waging major battles against the Empire until that point. I thought they were already waging war against the Empire but I guess they were not. Saw was for sure but not the thrust of the Rebels. From a certain point of view Jyn saved the rebellion by stealing the shuttle and going to get the plans. If she had not done that the Rebels would have disbanded as they were doing when she stole the shuttle. Jyn is a huge hero that should have monuments built in her honor. She saved the galaxy by taken action when the Rebels needed it most.
     
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    Very well put. I was pleasantly surprised at this aspect of the movie.
     
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    Well, I think it's interesting to think that the "Rebel Alliance" seems to be one of many rebel factions during that time, and one that seems to have emerged as a significant threat during the events of Rogue One. Saw's team almost seemed priority before that.
     
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    Regardless of the Rebel fleet showing up, I think locking down the base once the unauthorized access to the data tapes was discovered would have included closing the shield opening. They would not want anything getting out until they knew the extent of the breach.
     
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    "I AM NOT A COMMITTEE!!"

    Lol.

    And also that we do not know so far what was the status of the Rebels from Lothal at that point. We know they have done their operations, but not at a major scale.
     
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    reminds me of this:

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    Agreed! Jyn and the crew were, pardon the pun, the catalyst the rebellion needed to become proactive. I'm quite glad their story was told.
     
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    Ah yes the private meetings.
     
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    And in one movie! lol she needed more than one movie. there wasnt enough gleshyness.
     
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    Wow I wonder what's so ''clouded'' about your words here so that someone would give you that quote.
     
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    In any case, the rebel alliance has a serious chain of command problem. First ca. 40 commandos steal an impounded imperial cargo transport and set off on some unauthorized suicide mission, then on his own initiative Admiral Raddus decides to start a war and risk his entire fleet. It worked, but Dodonna is going to be pissed.
     
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    Why can't I like and find this post funny at the same time. . .
    This forum software deals in absolutes. . .
     
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