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SPECULATION The Secret To Luke's Map?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by master_shaitan, Jan 18, 2016.

  1. oldbert

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    The "line up" of your infos and suggestions triggerd me to start thinking about where this whole thing could lead the ongoing story in EPVIII and EPIX... Was Luke searching for a kind of " Jedi Atlantis" were he thinks to find a lost " Jedi Civilization?.. Will it turn out that he was successful and he found a refuge where a special group of Jedi survived?
    Fact is, you bring up a lot of start scenarios for speculating:)
     
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    Don't know.
     
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    Ever get the bad feeling we'll be going back to Jakku at some point? ;)

    So we can assume the major players all started out on par in the find the First Jedi temple quest with the partially complete map from the old Empire's archives? Then Luke obviously figured out the rest of it and went to the Temple. And either LST somehow got the information from Luke, or figured it out on his own.
    So how long did LST sit on this information, or did he just figure it out on Jakku not long before Poe arrived? Why would he sit on that info... With the high regard he holds for Leia, I just don't get it. Wouldn't you have to assume he'd only just figured it out? So the key to the last bit of the map has to lie at Jakku, maybe?

    So Jakku, site of the last great battle with the Empire, had an Empire Secret Research station, has a COTF presence, was the place where Rey was left and LST ended up. How could we tie all that in together?
     
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    Ok, I think I might have something...

    In some of the original TFA leaks, it said that Rey's parents were part of the Clan that we see butchered in Rey's flashback.
    In that flashback we also see Kylo kill someone who was originally listed as Clan Leader but now is known as another KoR.
    This person is running towards Rey to kill her (his back to the KoR thus he isn't fighting them).
    Kylo then stabs this guy and kills him before he kills "Rey".
    Here is my suggestion:
    What if Rey is taking the place of her mother in this scene? And perhaps Kylo kills this KoR because he wants to keep Rey's mum alive?
    Why? Because she knows what happened to Luke. It's already apparent that the Clan had Luke's old saber and this is when the KoR get that back (and later lose it to Maz Kanata). So there is a connection to Luke here. My guess is that Rey's mum is saved by Kylo so she can tell him where Luke is. Perhaps she does tell him but all she knows is that he has gone looking for the First Jedi Temple. This then leads Kylo to look into the archives and discover that the main part is missing.
    This would also mean that Kylo kills Rey's mum or doesn't and knows where she is now. Something that could really draw Rey to Kylo/The Dark Side.

    I don't know if that helps with why she is on Jakku along with Tekka and the map but I think it's a start of something....
     
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    Yes, I have been musing upon such things for a while now, for all the good it's doing me. Refer below posts from other threads:



    I still think there's more to the story in tems of what was going on at the Empire's Secret Research Facilty, and the Church of the Force and how that may intertwine. I only have the wildest of speculations yet, but I bet it had to do with the Force and cheating death/imortality.
     
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    It would seem that all roads lead to Anakin's saber. The galaxy has been playing Pink Panther with it. I can almost see Clouseau following the carnage.

    Seriously though, I have a feeling that we'll see the various story threads revealed through the saber in the next film.
     
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    I wrote this in another thread about the saber today:

    I personally think the whole thing is about the legacy of that Vader vs Luke battle, of those two characters. Kylo and Rey's stories are most definitely intertwined and I think the saber is the centre point. It's the thing that binds them, metaphorically speaking.

    For Rey, her destiny is to become the next Jedi. Her life has lead her to that point (finding Luke) and the saber was a big part of that. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that she has some prior link to it in some way (perhaps through her parents). And for Kylo, it's the connection to Vader. Wanting to be the new Vader. So Rey's vision is all about the journey of the saber, mixed with her journey and of course tying in with her conflict with Kylo. It's for me about Kylo being on the parallel path - Rey is on Luke's path (light side) and Kylo is on Vader's path (dark side). So the vision shows how Rey is on this journey and the lightsaber is taking her on it in a sense - and Kylo is there too, on his own journey that has an different motive.

    It all ties in with how the saber both belonged to Vader and Luke. Vader used it for evil. Luke used it for good. And I am pretty sure this is what Kylo means when he asks Vader to show him the power of the darkness again. I think he had a vision similar to Rey when he touched the saber. It was a vision that for him showed him what he must do. This ties in with why he has the helmet - after he loses the saber, he wants to have another vision and so begins searching for Vader artefacts to try and conjure it again. But it doesn't work. I believe this might be because he misinterpreted his saber vision. To him, he saw evil things and thought he must copy them. I'm not sure whether the vision Kylo had went back to the PT, where Vader first commits evil with his saber or if it just gives him a different perspective of the Vader/Luke battle and dialogue.
     
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    Cool thoughts. Reminds me of the elder wand in deathly hallows. A powerful medium that channels the force vision depending on the character of force sensitiv being that touches the saber. It is for itself not good or evil but just a powerful catalytic "force converter". The selfish one is attracted by the pure power he could posses by using it, the selfless hero could defend himself and others.
     
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    Well-said! To expand on this, I think a big reason why Rey and Kylo are on such different yet parallel paths is how they interpreted the visions they had. All of the films so far have dealt with how the Force speaks to individuals and The Clone Wars went into detail about that as well. Yoda often said that the future is uncertain and any visions of the future were not necessarily destined to come true. Palpatine also seemed to have a firm grasp on gazing into the future. What set Anakin and Luke apart from both the Jedi and the Sith is how they acted upon visions they received. They both received strong premonitions of suffering and death and they both reacted in an emotional way to those visions. Rey reacted the same way, but instead of receiving a vision of the future she has received a vision of the past and instead of reacting by throwing herself headlong into conflict she initially tried to distance herself from the situation. It's a scary thing, seeing a vision of that nature but being unable to parse it, to understand what's going on.
     
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