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The significance of the positioning of the lightsabers

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Boss Vos, Feb 4, 2018.

  1. Boss Vos

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    When the first poster for TFA came out, I didn't gave much thought to it. It was a solid poster with lots of things going on. The one thing I did notice as something out of the ordinary was the obvious positioning of Kylo's lightsaber right next to Rey's fighting stick, as if they were touching each other. Looking back, you could even call this some sort of foreshadowing to TLJ.

    Now, after the poster of TLJ came out, I started to notice a pattern.

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    Do you see it? Well, look more closely and you'll see how the lightsabers seem to be following a logic set of ups and downs, forming some sort of wave pattern:

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    Following this set of rules, we can figure out how the poster of Episode IX might look like.

    First of all, Kylo's lightsaber is pointing upwards in both posters for TFA and TLJ, while the Skywalker lightsaber is pointing downwards. But what's even more interesting is that the Skywalker saber is mirroring itself between TFA and TLJ, forming an obvious V-sign.

    Using this logic, we can assume that Kylo's lightsaber will also be mirroring itself between TLJ and IX, forming a similar V-sign.

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    Now, the obvious thing now would of course be to place the Skywalker lightsaber right next to Kylo's lightsaber, forming yet another V-sign. But wait, that's actually not consistent with the pattern! Take a closer look at the TFA poster again, and you'll notice that the positioning of both lightsabers actually makes them form an Λ-sign. Besides, since the Skywalker lightsaber was destroyed at the end of TLJ, we have to figure out another way to finish the pattern.

    Rey will construct a brand new lightsaber in IX, and if we are to trust JJ's original vision he will give her a double-sided lightsaber. So let's place it there:

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    The pattern now is like this: /\/\/\/

    So is the pattern really complete now? No, there's more. In order for the three posters to form a perfect, logical pattern - We need to add a third lightsaber to the poster for IX so that pattern becomes like this: /\/\/\/\
    However, this has to be a new lightsaber and not the Skywalker lightsaber.

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    Now it's finished. And as a final treat, I made a pre-mature version of this pattern right next to the posters for TFA and TLJ:

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    If the logic is that the pattern is a wave, then yes. Except we have no proof that it's a wave. You just assume that it's a wave because you want to see one. If there is a pattern, this is what it actually looks like:

    Kylo's saber points upwards and leans to the right (the tip) in both posters.
    Kylo's saber changes position from left to right between TFA and TLJ posters.
    -------> Kylo's saber will point upwards, lean to the right, and change position moving to the left of the image; it will be positioned like in the TFA poster.

    The Skywalker saber points downwards in both posters.
    The Skywalker saber changes position from right to left between TFA and TLJ
    The Sywalker saber changes from leaning to the right (the tip) in TFA to leaning to the left in TLJ
    --------> The Skywalker saber will change position moving to the right of the image, point downwards, and lean to the right; like Kylo's saber, it will be positioned just like in the TFA poster.

    In other words, the TLJ poster is the reverse of the TFA poster (at least when it comes to lightsabers), and there's no way to tell how the next poster will look like. The pattern is a loop with only 2 versions, useless for predictions (provided that people at Lucasfilm are not crazy and won't create a poster that is similar to the one for TFA).
     
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    I really don't understand how you can make the conclusion that the TLJ poster is the reverse of the TFA poster. If it was in reverse, Kylo would have to point his lightsaber inwards with the tip crossing Rey's shoulder to form a V.

    And why would it be crazy to create a poster that rhymes with the previous one? Just take a look at how the special edition posters line up perfectly together:

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    TLJ is the reverse of TFA in the sense that the pattern can only switch from one version to the other, always reverting to its previous arrangement. TLJ is the reverse of TFA just like TFA is the reverse of TLJ.

    You are looking for symmetry in the posters, trying to find a shape that looks harmonious and fits them all nicely. And there are many possibilities there, including a wave, but it's mostly guesswork. The actual pattern in the images only allows for the already existing images. The pattern, if used for future posters, will look like this: TFA -> TLJ -> TFA .....-> TLJ -> TFA.....to infinity.

    It sounds confusing, but let's look at an element in the pattern, for example Kylo's saber:
    In the images we have, this object can only change position from one side (left or right) to the other. It always points in the same direction and leans to the same side. This implies that for the next image, the only possible movement is to the other side. Of course, it might appear anywhere in the next poster, and point in any direction, but not if it follows the logical pattern we have now. It's a loop.
    But here is an example of a change that would have created an open pattern, allowing many different images to emerge: Kylo's saber could have been pointing to the right (placed horizontally) in the TLJ poster. In this pattern the saber can change sides AND move in a clockwise direction 45 degrees at a time. Which would imply that for the next image (poster for Ep. 9), the saber will change sides again (going to the left of the image) and point downwards, leaning to the right (because it moved 45 degrees). Following the pattern for another image (for the sake of the argument, let's say poster for Ep. 10, even though that would never happen), the saber would go to the right of the image and point downwards (vertical placement). This pattern can go on and create a number of different images before it goes back to the first one. See what I mean when I say that the pattern we do have is a loop? Neither Kylo's saber of the Skywalker saber move in a way that allows different images to emerge (like in the example I gave).

    Rhyming is great, but here we're talking about an identical arrangement of lighsabers, which would look weird, too much like TFA. This is why I don't think they'll use the existing pattern.
    Although there's one more possibility: this pattern is incomplete. A more accurate pattern might emerge when the next poster in released, which means that there's no way for us to determine what that poster will look like.
    So yeah, anything is possible, including a wave. But it can't be deduced from the information we have now.
     
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    You're not thinking one step ahead.

    The point was not to use a "duo pattern" of TFA and TLJ into infinity, because the sequel trilogy doesn't consist of two movies - neither does it consist of an endless amount of movies. It's three movies, and the point was to figure out a way to continue the pattern so that it rhymes and completes some sort of "arch".

    Using your logic with just the poster for TFA, the pattern would look like this: TFA -> TFA -> TFA -> TFA -> TFA -> TFA -> TFA -> TFA

    That's not what I was trying to do. I was not trying to copy-paste the pattern from TFA and TLJ, I was trying to use a mixture of logic and creativity to expand upon the pattern.
     
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    You mean I'm not using my imagination. That's true, I'm looking strictly at the logical pattern. But I already made that clear, I don't know what confuses you.

    Of course the pattern can't be used for an unlimited number of movies. I was just making a point, showing what the logical pattern would look like. As for this:
    "the sequel trilogy doesn't consist of two movies"
    No it doesn't, but the pattern can only be found in the posters that we have at the moment. IF you're looking for a logical pattern. Which you aren't. You're looking for a way to make the images look symmetrical and harmonious. I'm looking at the information we have now (because it's more fun for me) while you're exercising your imagination. Again, I don't know where's the confusion, I said this two times already.

    No, in that case there wouldn't be a pattern at all. Logical patterns are revealed by changes.

    I have no idea what is so confusing to you. I told you I look at the logical pattern, and I admitted that the pattern you imagined might appear because the logical pattern is useless for a third image. Basically I agreed with you in both my posts. What are you arguing exactly? That the pattern you imagined is the logical one? It isn't. You're looking for symmetry for the 3 posters, and from that perspective alone, we have a number of possibilities, including the wave.
    ...Which I said at least 2 times before.
     
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    I see what all sides are saying poster wise and pattern but I’m wondering this....what if we don’t see Rey with a lightsaber at all in the next poster.

    Please bare with me and I accept I could be way in left field here

    What’s one of the new speculations for lX (amongst a list of others)

    “What will Rey’s lightsaber be?”

    I wonder (and almost hope) they don’t show it on the poster that way it’s a big reveal in the actual film

    Now I can appreciate that is a huge stretch and how are toy and merch and promotional materials going to be sold or even it’s not as important to story.

    But I wonder if she will take the top spot (replacing Kylo in TFA and Luke in TLJ)

    Just a thought
     
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    This is the kind of overanalysis that I love, genuinely. Interesting thought, @Boss Vos.

    I think that we do have to remember that we're really only working with two pieces of data right now, and you cannot form a pattern with that. However, you can predict a trajectory, and while it may be a stretch, I love the conclusions you've drawn!
     
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    Notice how the sabers would intersect in the TFA poster, signifying conflict. Then in TLJ the sabers run parallel, signifying an alliance.
     
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    True, but also notice how Rey's staff is not only parallel to Kylo's saber, but is essentially engulfed in it.
     
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    Sure, anything is possible. Rey may or may not have a lightsaber in the poster, we have no idea what they're going to do.
     
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    Perhaps it's because Rey and Kylo are equals.
     
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