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The Sith are extinct in TFA, does that make anyone else sad?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by YubNubBub, Dec 29, 2016.

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Would you like to see the Sith eventually return to Star Wars whether original or a new order?

  1. Yes! Sith were awesome!

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  2. No man we need a new direction!

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  3. Not sure! We should leave it to a chance cube!

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  1. YubNubBub

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    We all know the dark side is bad.

    I also know the Sith had to go extinct because Anakin was prophesied to destroy the Sith.

    But doesn't it make anyone else sad the Sith went away? After being so menacing for so long, reappearing after being "extinct for a millenia"?

    I mean it HAD to happen but.... so much lore... a homeworld... temples... so much.. so much lore yet to be written and discovered.

    I think an awesome story for the future would be someone rediscovering the Sith, traveling to the homeworld, discovering holograms, lost arts for practitioners of the dark side, and finally a resurgence.

    So much THERE. I know we had to go away from the Sith affiliation, but it still makes me sad we lost so much with their extinction.

    Perhaps a NEW ORDER arises from the Sith? Perhaps thats the story of Snoke? Regardless the Sith made SW great in many ways, the mystery and so much more.

    I miss the Sith. (emperor) (dual)(dark)
     
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    I don't need Sith in the ST. Their story was already told.

    But if Kylo Ren doesn't get redeemed, then he could rebuild the Sith-Order in a completely new way.
     
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    No. Anakin destroyed the Sith forever. That's a very important part of his character arc.
    We will learn a lot about the Sith through the Knights of Ren and the standalone movies, but the Sith should never return after ROTJ.
     
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    Meh the Sith was a name that was added well after the fact. I liked it but not all that crucial.

    I think that even if the word Sith came back it would be different. Perhaps a cult like "TheOne Sith."
     
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    Yes it was a stupid move. Sith can teach
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    It really kills a major staple of The franchise.
     
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    That's an opinion. Anakin was prophesized to bring balance to the force not "kill the Sith forever". One could say by expunging the 10000 Jedi that he brought balance to the Force where there was only Yoda and OB1 left and Darth Sidious and Darth Vader.

    Maybe the rule of 2 is what destroyed the balance.

    In fact, Anakin was not necessarily to balance the force forever either. When Luke became the only Jedi and both Sith Lords where dead, one could say it has be unbalanced ever since.
     
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    It's very difficult to guess what the next movie will decide, either options will upset some fans, in the ST though, the key decisions will always benefit the casual movie watcher over a star wars nut, we got very special treatment with Rogue One which we wont see perhaps till the next anthology film.

    If I did have to guess, there was probably a reason the Whills were introduced in RO (adding in more force religions/followings/teachings), my guess is to expand the ethos of the force and how it is interpreted for very reasons will see in EP 8 & 9. Another great example is Maz in TFA, another living person attuned to it giving it another interpretation/meaning.

    Combining this thought process with Kylo Rens pilgrimage like tendencies (of Vader) and Snoke's teachings, it's very possible they will call it something else, even some akin to 'a new sith like order' - but I'm not sure they will ever refer to the dark side users as by rule of 2 'sith lords' again. - it would make the prophecy hard to swallow. I'd love to see some old sith holocrons, tying in some legends lore, but we will see.
     
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    While I don't think we "need" the Sith in the current trilogy, I certainly wouldn't be opposed to their return at some point. It's true that Anakin destroyed them as part of the prophecy, however, nowhere is it ever implied that the Sith are permanently destroyed or that they can't rise again in a different form. The Sith ideology is an ideology that would never truly go out of style among bad guys. Just because the Sith Order is gone, that doesn't mean all traces of it and it's teachings are gone.

    The fact that Anakin's sacrifice destroyed them and finally set in motion the toppling of the Empire is incredibly significant. I don't see the rise of the Sith again at some point as something that would tarnish Anakin's legacy as the Chosen One. Now if we find out the Sith were never truly destroyed, that's where things could get unnecessarily messy.
     
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    The KoR may not be Sith, but they're close enough to still make the story interesting. I think we have the best of both worlds- we still get Dark Side users, but the prophecy is still fulfilled.

    Though, I admit their reemergence could be really cool and dramatic.
     
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    I'm not really sad to see the end of the Sith.
    First, Anakin was the prophecied one to destroy the sith, so their return would make Anakin seem like he died before finishing his job.
    Second, the Knights of Ren and Snoke appear to be similar to the Sith, and as far as I'm concerned that's all that matters: dark side Force users doing bad things.
     
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    Agreed. Though early drafts of A New Hope included the word "Sith", we didn't ever hear it on screen until 1999's The Phantom Menace- and that is now the first canonical appearance of it, given Legend's status.

    The difference between "Sith" and "Darkside User" is semantic for most casual viewers. For more dedicated fans, there is a difference, but I think we can appreciate the adherence to the prophecy.
     
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    Im not sure. I think they first have to come up with a canon explanation regarding what a sith is and what their goal actually was. If its nothing more than just the good old "take over the world" than leave them imo.
     
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    Wait, we know that the Jedi thought the Sith were extinct for a millenia but they weren't, so how can anyone say they are extinct with confidence? Tarkin also thought the Jedi were extinct...wrong about that too.
     
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    Well Im going off the prophecy. Anakin was said to destroy the sith and in Episode 6 he did. Palpatine was supposed to be the last Sith and Darth Vader became Anakin Skywalker again and killed him. So to fulfill the prophecy its assumed the Sith are extinct. I also assume they want to keep that prophecy canon and reinforce the character of Anakin Skywalker.

    I'd say with 99.9% probability the Sith are extinct for good and we will never see them again.
     
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    The prophecy is not something that is set in stone, it was meant to be interpreted in different ways by us fans. I don't think fans should automatically subscribe to Anakin was the chosen one thing without keeping in mind the prophecy was misread.
     
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    Indeed, if things were still under Lucas(who said Anakin was indeed the Chosen One and that he wiped out the Sith) we could definitively say for sure. With Disney buying Star Wars though, who knows what LucasFilm will do now that they are under different management.
     
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    And how do we know Anakin is the one spoken of in the prophesy...even the Jedi questioned this. The prophesy made no mention of Anakin. When did anyone say Palpatine was the last Sith, and how wide is your definition? If Maul survives I would consider him a Sith. And even if the Sith are all gone, you only need one dark force user who feels he should resurrect them and restart the order.

    The Jedi also didn't think balance of the force meant annihilation of the Jedi. How can you be 99.9% certain when you are mainly making assumptions?

    "A prophesy that misread could have been."
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    And since the order was no longer present, were Yoda and Obi even really Jedi after ROTS with no order in place? Could argue either way couldn't you?
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    Indeed, but he stayed pretty consistent on the Sith thing. In fact, in the book series The New Jedi Order, the original plan was to have the Sith rise again and be the threat for the series. George Lucas personally nixed the idea though, which led to the creation of the Yuuzhan Vong in their place.
     
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    And Lucas no longer runs the show, and that is from the EU which is no longer canon anyway even though Lucas supported it.

    *Sorry, this doesn't reflect your point, I got turned around.
     
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    I like that the Sith are gone, but not sure exactly if the darkside is completely bad yet. I think there may be other ways.
     
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