The Sith are extinct in TFA, does that make anyone else sad?

The fact that Snoke and Kylo aren't Sith. Just that. They're not Sith Lords, just Dark Side users.

 

Right, like that's to mean something to us. Like that's a huge significant difference when it's not. The Sith have a code they live by.

Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me

If Snoke and Kylo are not Sith then what code do they live by that contradicts the label of a Sith?
What makes them not Sith??
And why do they find the need to deviate from the Sith's ways as dark side users?
Is Disney simply trying to do away with the "Sith" word all together?
It would be nice to know the specifics.

 

All it takes is a jilted wannabe apprentice or a scholar that goes in above their head discovering ancient texts or a holocron or two and the Sith sect is reborn anytime you want.

No no bus, no fuss. Easy as pie.

That said I have no particular desire for them in the current time line and am more than happy to see different interpretations of the dark side or maybe even distorted hardline light side antagonists in the line of say a Stannis Baratheon.

Where I needs my Sith right now are in mass in the Knights of the Old Republic era so we can expand on them in cannon and have some big fun adventures and epic confrontations.

 

Does it really matter whether the Jedi or the Sith are extinct? Both good and evil Force users still exist.

 

Before TPM: Bring on the Sith
After ROTJ: No Sith (even though they already introduced a dark hooded red light saber wielding dark side user) totally not a Sith though.

 

The Dark Side uses emotion in ways the Light Side doesn't.

That's not a bad thing by itself.

The problem we see with the Sith is they focus on the negative emotions like fear and hatred. But that doesn't mean the Dark Side has to be bad.

The Jedi shun all emotion. They don't fear and they don't hate, but neither are they allowed to love or form attachments.

Imagine a Force user who taps into the positive emotions like love. I know, I know, love is forbidden to the Jedi and a sign of weakness to the Sith, but imagine a Force user who isn't afraid to tap into the power of the positive human emotions. Imagine the power of love enhanced through the Force. It's forbidden to both sides, but whichever one embraces it first is going to unlock some truly awesome (and I mean that literally, like it leaves us in awe) Force abilities.

 

Well, I loved the Sith order, and especially the "One Sith" however I want to see more factions of dark side users if the sith are to be replaced. It makes complete sense for their order to die in terms of story, but as I am sure you all know the sith were a race and therefore should not define the dark side.

 

I never quite bought the Jedi's rationale for shunning all emotion. it seemed like such a fear-based overreaction to the Sith. Why not focus on the healthy and positive emotions, and teach young Jedi the difference between good and bad passion, good and bad love, good and bad motivation, justice v. revenge, etc. By teaching Jedi to try to block it all out, it just leaves them woefully unprepared to resist the seduction of the dark side.

The Jedi basically practiced The Force version of abstinence training, instead of proper sex education, lol.

 

They can always just make up a new faction of evil Dark Side users and slap the name "Sith" on them. It's been done before, like the SW Legacy comic. Most of the former EU mythology seems to be gone anyway, so just use the name on anything and most people wouldn't care that much.

 

I would not be surprised if Kylo seeks to become the Dark Lord of the Sith. It was one of his grandfathers goals.

 

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I think the Sith are great for the entire Star Wars story and all but it's time for a new direction. I want to learn more about Snoke and Kylo's philosophy and why it differentiates from the Sith. Maybe because I read alot of The Old Republic stuff and play SWTOR, I've had my sith fill and am ready for a new direction but that's just my opinion.

is a great idea for a thread tho and could generate some good discussion

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I think the Sith are great for the entire Star Wars story and all but it's time for a new direction. I want to learn more about Snoke and Kylo's philosophy and why it differentiates from the Sith. Maybe because I read alot of The Old Republic stuff and play SWTOR, I've had my sith fill and am ready for a new direction but that's just my opinion.

is a great idea for a thread tho and could generate some good discussion

 

Practically speaking, from what is shown onscreen in the movies, Kylo Ren and Snoke might as well be Sith. I understand that they are not, but they might as well be. They are the Emperor and Vader. Old master evil force user and younger apprentice evil force user. Not enough has been shown of them to show a practical difference. Very little has been shown of any Sith specifics to be able to demonstrate any difference between whatever Snoke and Kylo were compared to whatever a Sith is. This is going by the movies alone, at least. I wish I had the time to keep up with all the TV, comics and novels to go fishing for that difference, but I don't. I haven't seen anything in the movies that I can point to that makes it obvious that Snoke and Kylo aren't Sith, if only in practice, if not in name.

 

I'm writing a screenplay right now about dark force users who use the force to enhance their intellect.

 

TBH - I really don't feel like they can get rid of the Sith. There is SO much history and almost EVERYTHING that is the Dark Side STEMS from a Sith. So in actuality - Sith will never be gone, just people using what they know FROM the Sith. Will we see the old ways? Doubtful, but the Sith will always be part of whats happening with the Dark Side. Curious on Snoke's history and if he claims a Sith Title or not.

 

This is exactly my opinion too.

As someone who has only seen the movies and read a few books the Snoke / Kylo relationship appears exactly the same as that of Sidious / Vader i.e. the master and apprentice.

If Snoke and Kylo are not Sith then why not, they certainly act, behave and have a 'traditional' sith like relationship?

 

I feel kind of mixed on the Sith.

On the one hand, there have been some amazing stories in which they were major players and I thoroughly enjoyed. On the other hand, in a whole galaxy, throughout millennia, I wouldn't mind getting alternative stories where the Sith are not involved. I don't believe evil has a single face.

So I guess I wouldn't mind having more stories where the Sith are involved, but not exclusively.

As for the Sith being destroyed, I believe the Sith is more an idea, and ideas can be resurrected, regardless how foolish or problematic. The more people try to suppress its existence, the more people will be drawn to it and be fooled by it through their ignorance of its existence and what it represents. The Sith is in an interesting place after RotJ and I don't mind at all that they've been mostly skipped in the ST. Seeing their resurrection in a future trilogy could be very interesting.

 

The Sith isn't a species or even a race. It would be more correct to call it an ideology or religion. I don't think a faith, code, or even an idea can ever be fully extinguished, especially a seductive one like the Sith.

Also, it's a huge galaxy out there, and Qui-Gon tells Anakin that it isn't likely anyone has seen all of it. I doubt anyone can say with a certainty there aren't Sith to be found anywhere.

 

Its awesome. Thank you very much.

 

I agree with this. If some force sensitive person were to discover that he or she is force sensitive and go searching for some guidance in that area, I can just see them stumbling upon some Sith influence, be it a holocron or book or item of some kind and before you know it, new Sith.