The Sith are extinct in TFA, does that make anyone else sad?

I kind of think about it in terms of real history and how religions and cultures change. Are there still members of the ancient cult of Mithras in Rome? Do people worship at the alter of the heretical religion of Akhenaten? Does the Snake King dynasty of Maya still persist? Do the black pharaohs of the Kingdom of Kush still reign over Egypt?

No. But we still know of them and are continually learning.

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Finally, someone who gets it.

With that line, what separates a Christian from a Jew? What separates a Jew from a Muslim? What Separates a Gnostic Christian from Coptic Christians, Quakers and Catholics? What separates Christians from Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses? What separates Alawites, Shiites and Sunnis? What separates Hasids, Karaites and Kabbalists?

All of them arguably believe in the same God but it is their interpretation of that belief and their religious practices that separate and distinguish them from each other.
https://www.catholicnh.org/assets/Documents/Worship/Our-Faith/Understanding/SameGod.pdf

 

Really can't say for certain?... Cool question partner!

Here we go,
The Sith have inevitably made their mark on the Star Wars galaxy. No matter the time or era, someone will always be interested in the untapped knowledge and power the Sith had. Someone will always want to Crave that power for themselves, and with that a successor could arise. As of now the Sith are... I'd say MIA.

Here is my theory though which will explain my reasoning.

Good and Evil balance, like a scale, per se. In our world it's similar in that way. There have been many nations fall at the height of their power and prosperity to an outside enemy some are destroyed others rebuild and transform. When either tip the scale becoming unchecked (Good & Evil) for too long, one will eventually balance the other. My hypothesis could mean anything honestly speaking. We know for certain at times the Jedi thought the Sith were extinct for long periods of time, but that wasn't the truth, so how can anyone say they are extinct with absolute confidence? If the Jedi are reborn a new player will have to challenge them. I searched the Star Wars Fandom and found something quite interesting! During The Last Jedi, Rey is seen destroying not only Palatine, but also all of his finatical cult followers known as the Sith Eternal. Hold on for a second.. Here is lore from the fandom.

"The Sith Eternal were spread throughout the galaxy and within the First Order."

Even though the Sith Eternal cult we're destroyed who's to say they aren't still out there with Sith teachings and knowledge at their disposal. Sith followers could still be in the galaxy waiting for their right moment to strike? Training a acolyte in the was of the Darkside.

 

More Sith is always good....if done right.

 

No the Sith need to stay dead.

 

Always two there are. No more, no less. I love it this way. It gives the sith a real feeling of power.

 

There will always be a dark side, and those who wish to seek the easy path to power.

 

With dark, there is light and with light there is dark

 

True, but that doesn't have to mean the Sith! Remember, the Sith are no more natural than the Jedi are. The Force exists in all living creatures, but how one interprets and interacts with the Force will shape what their affiliation is. (Not to mention other guidelines and training and all that.)

 

Absolutely, I agree entirely and I've said the same before. It's why I avoided mentioning Sith in my post! I'm simply suggesting something dark-side will inevitably rise in its place.

But then, who is there to stop whoever first rises in their place from calling themselves Sith? Even if they don't follow quite the same doctrine, they can choose to call themselves Sith if they want. There's nobody to stop them. All the 'old-school' Sith are gone, so can't complain if they were to think these young new dark-sider upstarts aren't following their idea of what it means to be Sith!

As for things like the so-called Rule Of Two, it will always come into play whatever they call themselves, because - as I see it - the rule of two was never a 'rule'. It's an inevitable forgone conclusion arrived at as a result of their natural state of being. They will fight and double-cross until there is only two, whether it's a written rule or not.

 

As far as the saga movies go "the Sith" don't represent anything specifically meaningful. It's just the name of what Palpatine is devoted to in order to differentiate him from the Jedi.

They were extinct for a thousand years before TPM, so why should it matter if they are or aren't declared extinct?

 

I agree. It was just a name given to users of the dark side. A name which was never even used in the original trilogy at all. They're just 'dark-siders', or we used to call them 'dark Jedi'.

Either Sith is synonymous with following the dark side and therefore all its followers are by definition Sith, or they can choose to start up a new dark-side order and call themselves whatever they like. But at the end of the day it's like arguing semantics. Whatever you call them, they're all ultimately the same thing.

 

To play Devil's Advocat, we only know that the Jedi BELIEVES the Sith to be extinct, and that Maul is happy that "at last we reveal ourselves to the Jedi", so exactly what that means is uncertain in the Saga. Also, if we accept that the Sith is a philosophy with a set of teachings attached, then "extinct" really doesn't mean much, like... there are people today who follows (reconstructed) Catharism, some 670 years after the Cathars were wiped out, just to give an example. And, of course, in SW magic is real, so you have added avenues of passing traditions on via holocrons and spirits and whathaveyou.

That said, for SW going forward, I'd much rather the Sith remained defeated and, if we have to have a new Dark Side threat, a different bigbad group was invented. SW needs to expand and grow, not be stuck in the same groove decade after decade.

AND, if they want to do something Sith related again, they could always go back in time and do a NuCanon version of one of the Sith Wars, or whatever.

#NoPostTRoSSithPlease

 

Two questions come from this though -

The first is why would a group try to call themselves something that would instantly attract attention and their mortal enemy? If a Dark Side group arises, taking the name of the Sith means a lot of associations, and not all of them have good implications for the group itself. "Oh, more Sith? Well, the Jedi will take care of them."

Second, calling oneself something doesn't make it true. Luke called himself a full Jedi Knight in ESB, and Vader, Kenobi, and Yoda all knew that wasn't the case. Sure, they couldn't exactly stop Luke from doing so, but the proof was in the pudding. Likewise, a young Dark Sider going around calling themself a Sith isn't likely going to be taken seriously by any Jedi or whatnot, because they don't have the skills, ideology, or necessary requirements.

Lastly, yes, all the old-school Sith are gone, but the Sith still follow an ideology, a path. A young upstart who doesn't necessarily believe in that ideology ultimately won't end up becoming a Sith. Much like how a Light Side Force User who believes in action first and peace later as well as justice almost to the point of revenge isn't really a Jedi.

 

Thats actually a good point. Feel free to correct me, but didn’t there used to be one order, the jedi order. But then some kind of civil war broke out and 100’s of sith fought 100’s of jedi. This division is what differentiated the Sith from the jedi. I feel that the Sith represent raw power and strength derived from emotion. They power themselves woth anger, hate, and revenge unlike the Jedi

 

Don't get me wrong I would delight in seeing the Sith eventually return in some shape or form, but I'd prefer a Darth Bane styled trilogy. We've gotten the same narrative, over, and over, and over again. Character's lacking true passion and testimonial desires, poorly written tales and sloppily choreographed duels.

I want places to feel as if they have history, lore behind them. Character's you'd actually be able to love that have dreams.

 

This. The Bane trilogy did the whole "likeable villain" thing better than any other in Star Wars, in my opinion. I think Bane & Zannah are two of the most well-written characters.

 

We should get a show or series that zooms in on the Hundred Year Darkness. Not only would we get more insight on who the Sith are and what their origins were, but we’d get to see the first generation of Sith. That would all come back to the whole palpatine thing at the end of ROS. Palpatine was all the Sith, yet only a few Sith are actually cannon.I don’t know, just spitballing here.

 

I'm intrigued. What do you see as the story here? I mean, besides bad-butt posing, evil cackling, and flashy lightsabers, what would the narrative of, say, The Hundred-Year Darkness TV Series be? Considering it's a live action proposal and not a video game? A goodly Jedi attempting to stop Ajunta Pall's break-away movement?

 

To be completely honest with you, I know nothing about legends. I know this event and what it was. I have no idea who was involved or anything specific.

 

(I'm not trying to be difficult here; as a writer myself, I'm genuinly interested in understanding how fans regard these things. Sorry if this is annoying...).
So, what exactly is it about the with a show that "zooms in on the Hundred Year Darkness. [...giving us] more insight on who the Sith are and what their origins were, but we’d get to see the first generation of Sith", that you want to see? Why "should" we get a show about this?

It is just an "I want robed evil space wizards, laser swords, and dark cackling" kind of thing? Or do you see an actual story here?