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The spoilers are real...(a case for common sense)

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Jedihopper, Dec 8, 2015.

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Are the spoilers all true?

  1. Sort of. Some things are but we are only half right.

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  2. Not at all. It's a big huge con and they are playing us.

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  3. It's true. All of it.

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    I'll play. I have tons of theories and ideas, but if I had to guess:
    • Han Solo dies. YES
    • Kylo is his killer and son. YES
    • Rey is the future Jedi. YES- along with Finn
    • She is the daughter of Leia and Han YES
    • Luke is only in the flashbacks and end of film. He will be the Yoda to train Rey next movie. YES- but his presence is implied in other scenes.
    • Snoke is Plaguies and will tie up the PT/OT/ST. NO. No one cares about Plagueis, guys. He's for super-fans only. ;-)
     
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  2. Jedihopper

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    See..we pretty much see all the same things when watching trailers, reading articles, listening to interviews.

    But as I keep saying to everybody...you have to head over to the Plaguies thread...it's all but confirmed now that Snoke = DP.
     
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    I'm not sure I agree with your detective work, there, Hopper.

    An excellent perspective. It's simple, effective, and indeed "common sense" if such a thing exists. It's precisely this perspective that allows me to reasonably reject the "Han dies" hypothesis (also "3-second Luke" but that's another story).

    Yeah but 90% isn't really based on any kind of real math; it's really just your way of saying "I really believe it" which is cool; just not an actual probability based on any legitimate probability math. But having said that:

    Ah, wait- I thought you were coming from the perspective of "what will work for everyone"? Because that sure as hellfire doesn't work for me, and last I checked I'm in the "everyone" group. Also, other people on this forum and forums and chat across the internet have also vehemently expressed their displeasure at this "fantastic story idea"

    So if we're working from the perspective "what will work for everyone" how are you suddenly and 180degree-edly claiming "90% Han dies" since dead Han is clearly not for everyone.

    If by "makes sense" you mean "ruins the RotJ ending and alienates a swath of Han fans" then, yeah, it makes perfect sense.

    Nothing supports them, and JJ himself refutes them by plainly stating he knew how rabid the fans are, and that he would do nothing to ruin what came before. JJ is sincere in these points, there's nothing "spoilery" or needing to be hidden in his statements to keep from spoiling the actual movie. I believe JJ. I believe common sense. I believe the perspective of what works for everyone is virtually demanded. I do not believe terrible rumors from anonymous people on the internet who have not seen the movie, and cannot appreciate the pressure that JJ has taken upon himself to direct this movie, and the plain common sense knowledge that there is no chance in hell that JJ is going to do anything that even remotely can be construed by anyone as "ruining the past"

    Man if you think killing Han is a great choice then thank the stars you're not working on these movies; because that is an absolutely terrible choice which could hurt the acceptance of the films, and cause an internet backlash of biblical proportions. Could, not must but could. So, JJ is throwing the dice and gambling with a billion-dollar franchise? So much for common sense.

    Yes indeed it's going to be awesome.

    Well if it's Finn then JJ doesn't know how to direct emotions because no one cries like that over an injured character. But I'm confident JJ knows a thing or two about direction.
     
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    I've never ventured into the Plaguies thread and I don't plan on starting now, but maybe I should have. I have no idea who Plaguies is.
     
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    If you've seen Episode III, you know who he is. Palpatines Sith master...rumored to have been able to create life and cheat death.

    As to who/what he is in TFA...we shall soon see.
     
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    I personally couldn't imagine Han or Leia abandoning their child under any circumstances. But with Luke being a Jedi and all, and having beef with the Knights of Ren, I could imagine him abandoning her for her own safety. That, and her being a Solo is too obvious, of course. ;)
     
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    You never heard the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?
     
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    Great thoughts and I don't necessarily disagree with the concepts...but that's not anything from trailers, pics, articles, or cast interviews. Just our own interpretations of what we think the characters of Han/Luke/Leia should do...

    What's been shown points to Rey Solo. (as far as I can tell...I could well be wrong.)

    My question is...what has anybody seen/heard that actually points to Rey Skywalker? anything?
     
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    I don't think Rey (or anyone) is Luke's biological child, but I do predict she (and Finn) will have the name Skywalker at the end of the trilogy, after Luke has departed for higher ground, having raised up his padawans to carry his mantle into future generations. That's right: Rey and Finn Skywalker. Probably Kylo Skywalker, as well, in the end.

    But as for reasoning, the pictures of Rey on Jakuu with BB-8 very strongly play on Luke and R2 on Tatooine. So there is definitely a reason to suspect Rey is in some way the daughter of Luke Skywalker. Because she's being mirrored with Luke. Again not saying I think Rey is the actual daughter of Luke, but I can see the reasoning behind it. It can at least be seen as "hinting" at her being "like Luke" and "Luke reflection" so "Luke's offspring" naturally can follow from this.
     
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    Just to be clear, there is no definitive spoiler on who Rey's family is whereas Kylo Ren, Han's death, Luke cameo, etc. all do have very specific mentions in the call sheets. If I recall, someone made a big spoiler doc this summer that made the assumption that Rey was a Solo, but there was feedback from some industry people that there was a major aspect of the story that the doc got wrong. I think MSW also still believes that Rey is not revealed in TFA to be related to anyone, but that it may be answered later. Who knows.
     
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    Okay let me ask you guys this, and first empty your proverbial cup; meaning forget for a second about any "rumors"; cast them all aside for a moment. Pretend you know nothing about the movies whatsoever.

    Watch this video it's like 8 minutes long but it's Star Wars so, just watch it all the way. No skipping around. After you watch it, come back, I'll wait for you I promise.

    Okay so here I still am. Now, let's suppose I'm asking your advice on the story and I say "What do you think about killing that man? Good idea?" Because if you can watch those people, then go "I think it's a good idea to kill him, and don't think it would really upset a huge number of people"; well then all I can say is:

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    I think you are spot on except the last one. But I don't think that means we know everything. I mean that is what I thought was going to happen a year ago that is not by any means the whole story. So I think we can be right but not understand the context or how to line these things up.
     
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    Hello all.
    My first post and I hope I am welcome to the galaxy.

    I as all of the forumites here am particularly excited as it is so close.
    I have also seen all of the trailers and TV spots many times.

    I may be throwing a spanner in the works, all be it, a good spanner.
    Here's my finding - Han doesn't die.

    Looking at this well made chronological trailer, Han does in fact appear on the 'Snowy' planet (StarKiller base) which does seem to be the final battle and after Rey is seen crying over someone on the 'Green/Forest' planet. (Sorry, I'm not too familiar with the names given)

    See what you think.

     
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    I think the coolest rumor that I have read so far by someone who supposedly saw the movie already was...

    Han does get killed by Kylo, but then the others take his body to Luke, who has been growing stronger in the Force. Luke then brings Han back to life, as something he learned from Snoke/Plageius during a mental force battle/connection where they could read each other's minds. If this happens, then that could be a powerful moment. But it's probably fan fiction.
     
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    1. Han dies. Murdered by Kylo. 100%
    2. Kylo is Han and Leia's son. 100%
    3. Snoke is Plagueis. 97%
    4. Rey is unrelated to originals but has heard stories about Luke. 90%
    5. Luke gets bested by the KOR in the flashback scene. 85%
    6. Snoke/Plagueis is seen as a saviour figure. He can bring people back from the dead. He did this to gain power within and take over the FO. 92%
    7. Snoke/Plagueis has overseen the construction of the Star Killer over several decades - based upon the Death Star plans that he originally funded. 95%
    8. Snoke/Plagueis can drain Force energy from people. 75.5%
    9. Finn is unrelated to any legends. He is the other side of the coin to Rey in terms of representing peoples view on the legacy of Luke Skywalker. Rey grew up wanting to be Luke. Finn grew up being told to hate him. 90%
     
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    Personally, I think a lot of what is in the MSW spoiler sheet is true, but they are missing some key details. The person who leaked them put them together in the way that made sense but some scenes were not available to them.

    Here's what I think -

    Finding Luke is the beginning of act three. Rey tries to convince him to come back but he at first refuses/is conflicted. He has a long heart to heart with Rey.
    Menawhile the assault on Starkiller base is in progress. Han happens upon Kylo Ren and confronts him, he is his son after all and he believes he won't kill his old man. And he is right. Kylo, in anger swings out with his lightsaber at Han - and we'll probably move to another scene as we look on in horror thinking Han is dead. But when we come back it will emerge that he has just injured him (maybe cut off his hqand or arm or part thereof) and is holding his sabre to Han's throat - Enter Fin, lightsaber drawn and engages Kylo in battle. Fin holds his own for a bit but it is clear he is no match for Kylo. Just as it looks like Fin is going to be beaten, we hear Rey's voice call out. Kylo Ren stops and looks up to see Rey standing beside a cloaked figure, he drops his cloak, it is Luke, he ignights his green lightsaber and walks towards Kylo. Luke defeats him but he manages to escape, Luke and Rey with the aid of Chewie bundle the injured Finn and Han into the Falcon and make their escape just as the New Republic fleet arrives to bombard the planet as they've finally entered the war.
     
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    • Han Solo dies. Yes, we've known this for a long time.
    • Kylo is his killer and son. Yes, this is confirmed by the recently (and independently) leaked shooting schedule.
    • Rey is the future Jedi. As far as TFA, yes; confirmed by known spoilers and additionally by recently leaked figure.
    • She is the daughter of Leia and Han Ridley's comments seem to imply this, but no confirmed leak has ever indicated her parentage, suggesting that it may not be revealed in this movie.
    • Luke is only in the flashbacks and end of film. He will be the Yoda to train Rey next movie. Yes, confirmed by long-known spoilers.
    • Snoke is Plaguies and will tie up the PT/OT/ST. The recently "confirmed" Snoke/Plagueis art is fake, just an edit of an existing piece of artwork; the idea itself was put into further doubt by a recent comment by Lucasfilm's Pablo Hidalgo; Kasdan did not know who Plagueis was (it's well known that he disliked the prequels and wanted nothing to do with them).

    Personally, I liked the prequels, and I agree that Snoke = Plagueis would tie up the 7 episodes nicely. However, it's beyond obvious that Kasdan was not being coy when he reacted to the Plagueis question (and interpretations otherwise are pretty silly imo). I would love it if Snoke was Plagueis, and I still think that Rian Johnson has the creative control to pick up that thread in Ep 8...but that will not be a part of Episode 7.
    --- Double Post Merged, Dec 9, 2015, Original Post Date: Dec 9, 2015 ---
    Totally untrue.

    I've been playing the spoiler game a long time, and that is not how a spoiler is confirmed. If anything, I would say that it's *dis-confirmation* of Snoke being Plagueis...and I *want* Snoke to be Plagueis!
     
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    APRIL 1980 - Obi Wan really killed Luke's Father - YES, confirmed by long-known spoilers. (You get my drift?)
     
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    I prefer not to think about the bad guys. You won't see me on the Hux, Kylo or Phasma threads either!
     
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    Wether we agree on the legitimacy or not luke only showing up at the end would be a TERRIBLE choice the main thing people want to see above all else is ultimate badass luke fighting off 6 knights of ren at once
     
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